Colin Barron
pfm Member
Voting choice was requested and given.
Labour Leader: Keir Starmer IV
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TheDecameron
Unicorns fart glitter.
Do you still believe Nigel Farage is deserving of a knighthood and if so why?
Joe Hutch
Mate of the bloke
In cold, hard, crude terms the argument that the only 'real' choice is between Labour and Tory has an element of truth, but as Labour continues its creep towards being 'More Tory', there may essentially be no choice at all; you'll get either a Tory government with a blue rosette or a Tory government with a red rosette. If you live in Scotland, however, you have another choice. You can vote for a party that will take your country out of this 'no choice' scenario entirely, and back into a wider union that your country never voted to leave.
Cheese
Bitter lover
can it do this, really ?
An update for the thread:
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...arns-labour-has-lost-touch-with-target-voters
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...arns-labour-has-lost-touch-with-target-voters
TheDecameron
Unicorns fart glitter.
It looks like the unthinkable has happened, like the fall of the Catholic Church in Ireland.
Cheese
Bitter lover
One of the reasons why, all things considered, I don’t see too many differences between Tory and Labour. Or any other credible opposition, if there were one.
Tony L
Administrator
The thing to my mind is at present there couldn’t be a clearer thing to oppose, to produce an compassionate rational counterpoint to. We have a fundamentally corrupt nationalistic Trump-clone Conservative government which has pocketed £bns of our tax money, broken countless national and international laws, killed tens of thousands unnecessarily due to constant mismanagement and slow reaction to the global pandemic (our death tolls are a global embarrassment), isolated the country from its main trading partners due to an ill-thought-through xenophobic/popularist Brexit project, cost hundreds of thousands their jobs, broken the GFA etc etc. The list goes on for pages.
Yet even against this backdrop Labour apparently don’t know WTF they are for?! You couldn’t make it up!
Joe Hutch
Mate of the bloke
It can have a jolly good try, and the more the English-based parties deny them the opportunity, the more the support for a Scottish nationalist party will grow.
Joe Hutch
Mate of the bloke
'Many senior party figures have told the Observer that the central message from Mattinson’s briefing was that victory will be impossible unless Labour finds a way to lure back millions who defected to the Tories in 2019.'
Well, duh. I wonder how much Mattinson was paid for that sort of insight. 50p would be too much.
Seanm
pfm Member
This has been the whole of their campaign strategy since Starmer took over: telling people they’re sh-t. It continues to not pay dividends, weirdly.
Colin Barron
pfm Member
Have areas of control that have been handed back to Scotland been a success? Health and Education for instance.
flatpopely
Prog Rock/Moderator
Will in an independant Scotland qualify for entry into the EU?
TheDecameron
Unicorns fart glitter.
Seriously though, what should Farage get a knighthood for? Fundraising for the RLNI?
Joe Hutch
Mate of the bloke
That's what's known as a 'second order' question, to which the answer is, obviously 'nobody knows'.
flatpopely
Prog Rock/Moderator
In which case voting for independance on the hope of rejoining the EU is very risky; the SNP need to set out very clearly what the likely outcome of independance is.
Joe Hutch
Mate of the bloke
I don't think the SNP needs to do any such thing. Boris Johnson is essentially its best recruiting agent. At this stage, all the SNP needs to do is to point out that the English-based ruling party, having taken Scotland out of the EU against the wishes of most of its population, is not making a very good job of mitigating the adverse outcomes of Brexit.
TheDecameron
Unicorns fart glitter.
How different things would be had Corbyn won more seats in May’s calamitous snap election. A Labour-SNP government would have prevented the corruption and mess Britain now finds itself in, making enemies of our closest allies in Europe.
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