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Hancock...You've been a Naughty Boy!

Seanm said:
From what he’s been saying, Javid’s planning to kill a hell of a lot of people.
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Javid is a Sontaran so his blind faith in opening up on the 19th fits in well with his species creed, They are an alien race characterised by their ruthlessness and fearlessness of death

Javid earlier today, with the classic wide legged Sontaran pose, flanked by Cleverly and Raab

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Surely a re-imagining of the old Brotherhood of Man song?

Running away together
Running away forever
Coladangelo
Running away from danger
Hiding from every stranger
Coladangelo
They knew it wasn't wrong
They found a love so strong
They took their lives at night (metaphorically speaking)
And in the morning light
They found them on the sand
They saw them lying there, hand-in-hand
 
Seanm said:
Sure: everything he's done up to now and everything he's saying now; Covid + austerity.
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Covid is a virus; not in his control, therefore.

If you are talking about unlocking, then recall that nothing we do is without risk. The risk presented to the very young and the fully vaccinated by covid is in the order of that presented by seasonal flu. Therefore, it is nowhere near sufficient to justify continuing the policy of locking every body up and continuing the destruction of lives and livelihoods caused by covid restrictions beyond the current deadline when all of the vulnerable, and almost all adults, should be fully vaccinated. These restrictions directly damage people's health and long term prospects; particularly the young who are not at any significant risk from covid. Like everything else in life, it's a trade off.

If you are worried about the vaccine refuseniks, I'm not. Stupidity has its price!
 
Timcat said:
Covid is a virus; not in his control, therefore.

If you are talking about unlocking, then recall that nothing we do is without risk. The risk presented to the very young and the fully vaccinated by covid is in the order of that presented by seasonal flu. Therefore, it is nowhere near sufficient to justify continuing the policy of locking every body up and continuing the destruction of lives and livelihoods caused by covid restrictions beyond the current deadline when all of the vulnerable, and almost all adults, should be fully vaccinated.
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What does still need to be factored in, though, is that we’re facing a Winter of both Covid and seasonal flu. Either of which has the potential to overwhelm the NHS. So the rational approach would be to first bolster NHS capability to deal with twice the normal winter surge figures, if we’re going back to normal in everyday life. Not gonna happen, is it?
 
I have two concerns. The first is that a new Health Secretary who has no biological science qualification and history, just 48 hours after being unexpectedly helicoptered into the job feels confident to make bold statements about opening up in a couple of weeks. Unless he spent every one those 48 hours in tutorials with Van Tam and Whitty, Javid is talking out of his backside.

The second is that everyone wants to be set free ASAP but the question is when is it sensible? I would argue that holding on for good modelling to be possible with some - but not complete - stopping of restrictions for a couple of weeks makes most sense.
 
I suspect that Javid being brought back in the fold for another go will have been with Caveats. He just said what Piffle told him. Be a good boy and say this.
 
Timcat said:
Covid is a virus; not in his control, therefore.

If you are talking about unlocking, then recall that nothing we do is without risk. The risk presented to the very young and the fully vaccinated by covid is in the order of that presented by seasonal flu. Therefore, it is nowhere near sufficient to justify continuing the policy of locking every body up and continuing the destruction of lives and livelihoods caused by covid restrictions beyond the current deadline when all of the vulnerable, and almost all adults, should be fully vaccinated. These restrictions directly damage people's health and long term prospects; particularly the young who are not at any significant risk from covid. Like everything else in life, it's a trade off.

If you are worried about the vaccine refuseniks, I'm not. Stupidity has its price!
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The Delta variant is affecting young people more than previous variants.

And as long as a significant number of people are not vaccinated and the virus is allowed to spread, we run the risk of the virus accumulating mutations that render the vaccines ineffective.
 
Sue Pertwee-Tyr said:
What does still need to be factored in, though, is that we’re facing a Winter of both Covid and seasonal flu. Either of which has the potential to overwhelm the NHS. So the rational approach would be to first bolster NHS capability to deal with twice the normal winter surge figures, if we’re going back to normal in everyday life. Not gonna happen, is it?
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Hell, we're already facing a summer of both COVID-19 and seasonal flu, with particular problems for the NHS coming from children who are being brought to A&E for what turns out to be common colds or flu. Basically the end of lockdown was like a starting pistol for all the usual viruses.
 
Timcat said:
Covid is a virus; not in his control, therefore.

If you are talking about unlocking, then recall that nothing we do is without risk. The risk presented to the very young and the fully vaccinated by covid is in the order of that presented by seasonal flu. Therefore, it is nowhere near sufficient to justify continuing the policy of locking every body up and continuing the destruction of lives and livelihoods caused by covid restrictions beyond the current deadline when all of the vulnerable, and almost all adults, should be fully vaccinated. These restrictions directly damage people's health and long term prospects; particularly the young who are not at any significant risk from covid. Like everything else in life, it's a trade off.

If you are worried about the vaccine refuseniks, I'm not. Stupidity has its price!
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As you say, stupidity has its price. Just that with this virus, and the less than stellar handling of the pandemic by the johnson and his benefiting cronies, up to now, someone else has mostly been picking up the mortality tab for the stupid. Javid is happy to escalate this.
 
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