ks.234
Half way to Infinity
On that we can agree…
Hancock...You've been a Naughty Boy!
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eternumviti
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You undoubtedly won't care much for having heard it from me, but I actually agree with bits of that, specifically the last few sentences.
I do think that you are right in that Johnson is very rapidly running out of rope, even amongst his erstwhile supporters. In fact, a lot of conservatives turned on him a long time ago.
Rob998
Scimmia Nordoccidentale
My piles bleed for him.
Tony L
Administrator
As I’ve said many times I view that as their biggest failure and I have not voted for them since. By saying that Labour are so fundamentally shit they don’t even understand the bloody question. To my knowledge no PR pledge has ever been made in a Labour manifesto. As an obsolete 120 year old establishment party of safe-seat trough-feeders it never will be either. To be honest I’m at the point now I’d not even vote for Labour in a Lab/Tory marginal, I just see them as a near-equal partner in a fundamentally corrupt and anti-democratic system.
TheDecameron
Unicorns fart glitter.
It’s going to be spectacular when it happens as indeed it was when the parliamentary party came for Margaret Hilda with the knives sharpened. I reckon he’ll announce his departure before they attack, for narcissistic reasons.
ks.234
Half way to Infinity
Yes, agree with that, except that precisely because Labour have never had a PR pledge, they shouldn’t be at the top of the list when it comes to discussing PR failures. As for the rest, believe me when I say I’m at least as angry with Labour as you, possibly more as I invested time and money in them have a sense of betrayal as well as the anger
Arkless Electronics
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The fact that he wasn't sacked and that bozo fully supported him says it all. Bozo's position should be just as untenable... and not just for this!!
Seanm
pfm Member
Don’t disagree on Labour (although a lot of what we’re seeing now is a direct result of lots of respectable political players joining forces to make sure Labour’s one attempt to offer an alternative failed). But these groups you mention are all quite different and potentially at odds with one another. It’s nice to see them but they don’t constitute a movement.
TheDecameron
Unicorns fart glitter.
The more you think about it the more the “It’s The Sun Wot Did It”/ love rat/ shaggers story is a beautiful distraction. Everyone has a good laugh and moves on.
Seanm
pfm Member
I’m surprised he quit. But it’s a careful what you wish for moment. Whatever Hancock’s failings it seems he stood up to the Treasury. Javid is Treasury. So we’re further away than ever from policy that would actually work - better sick pay, support to isolate - and a good bit closer to Get Back to Work Prole Scum.
eternumviti
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Oh, I don't think it was about the sex. No shame there. It was the hypocrisy what dun it in the end. 'Do as I say, not as I do.'
Not me, Colin, I know a little bit about wine, I don't think it qualifies me. FYI, I don't have a high opinion of myself, my knowledge, or my abilities at all. I just happen to be confident that I am cleverer, more knowledgeable and more able than you. Not a particularly elevated bar, eh?
BOOM, BOOM! Sorry, I jest, but you did set yourself up
Regarding the camera. I have long half wondered what dirt Hancock has on the PM that he has retained, against every dazzling indication of his incompetence and probable corruption, his job. I don't imagine for one minute that there's a trail, but if there were one, it wouldn't surprise me in the least should it lead back to No.10 Downing Street.
Weekender
pfm Member
SteveS1
I heard that, pardon?
Tomorrow's Observer editorial - the rotten core remains.
"This serious incompetence coupled with an undermining of the government’s emergency response by transgressing its regulations and a breaking of the ministerial code mean that his position was untenable. But his resignation does not fix the wider lack of integrity in government. Johnson is a prime minister who has ripped up the political honour code. He lies to the public when it is politically convenient and, like Hancock, he has repeatedly failed to declare personal interests: his intimate relationship with Jennifer Arcuri, whose company received thousands of pounds from City Hall when he was mayor of London and the appointment of the mother of one of his children as an adviser. He bears even more responsibility for the terrible pandemic death toll than Hancock. And he has permitted other ministers who have been found to have transgressed the ministerial code, such as Priti Patel, to continue in office.
The Hancock affair goes beyond the conduct of the health secretary. It speaks to a rotten culture of impunity, where blind and unswerving loyalty matters far more in high office than competence, integrity and honesty. The cabinet is filled with ministers who do not regard themselves as subject to the same rules as the rest of us, who regard public office as an opportunity for financial gain, who time and again disrespect ordinary citizens who obey the law and stick to the rules. This is government by people who see politics less as a chance to serve their country and more as a game at which they are entitled to play, regardless of the consequences. Hancock’s position was untenable. But his resignation will do nothing to change the fundamental character of our government while Johnson remains prime minister."
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jun/26/the-observer-view-on-the-matt-hancock-affair
"This serious incompetence coupled with an undermining of the government’s emergency response by transgressing its regulations and a breaking of the ministerial code mean that his position was untenable. But his resignation does not fix the wider lack of integrity in government. Johnson is a prime minister who has ripped up the political honour code. He lies to the public when it is politically convenient and, like Hancock, he has repeatedly failed to declare personal interests: his intimate relationship with Jennifer Arcuri, whose company received thousands of pounds from City Hall when he was mayor of London and the appointment of the mother of one of his children as an adviser. He bears even more responsibility for the terrible pandemic death toll than Hancock. And he has permitted other ministers who have been found to have transgressed the ministerial code, such as Priti Patel, to continue in office.
The Hancock affair goes beyond the conduct of the health secretary. It speaks to a rotten culture of impunity, where blind and unswerving loyalty matters far more in high office than competence, integrity and honesty. The cabinet is filled with ministers who do not regard themselves as subject to the same rules as the rest of us, who regard public office as an opportunity for financial gain, who time and again disrespect ordinary citizens who obey the law and stick to the rules. This is government by people who see politics less as a chance to serve their country and more as a game at which they are entitled to play, regardless of the consequences. Hancock’s position was untenable. But his resignation will do nothing to change the fundamental character of our government while Johnson remains prime minister."
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jun/26/the-observer-view-on-the-matt-hancock-affair
eternumviti
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I see @Colin L is suggesting you go for the job.
Sure, I do, and believe me, I've spent a lot of time reflecting. I try not to actually look in the mirror though, because it dismays me. It's an age thing, and I might be just a little vain.
I never supported our membership of the EU, which was, I think, founded in 1993 with Jolly John Major's Maastricht con. I'm not sure I'd ever heard of the then 29 year old Boris Johnson in 1993, and Matt Hancock was still a schoolboy.
eternumviti
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Hancock. The name offers so many possibilities, right now.
Cav
pfm Member
Why would the second largest Party propose PR and their own destruction? Why do you care what a party you won't vote for does or does not do?
Tony L
Administrator
Exactly. The safe-seat feeding trough is prioritised before democracy, representation and accountability. They are just as corrupt and self-serving as the other establishment shower.
PS The bizarre thing is they actually accept being an impotent “opposition” for 75% of the past 120 years they have existed over actually having a democratic voice in a proportional parliament.