wylton
Naim and Mana member
And yet Linn make a Rega fit Kore subchassis; I know, because I have one!
Back on the old Linn Karousel...
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And yet Linn make a Rega fit Kore subchassis; I know, because I have one!
david ellwood
Kirabosi Kognoscente
Mine is simply one more forum opinion, no more valid than any.
I can just see the inevitability of Mr Pigs eventual dissatisfaction with his ‘LP12’ experiment.
If he wants my advice for a deck spec, I’d go for a brand new majik spec motor unit and source an akito and a new ATVM95 cartridge.
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I can just see the inevitability of Mr Pigs eventual dissatisfaction with his ‘LP12’ experiment.
If he wants my advice for a deck spec, I’d go for a brand new majik spec motor unit and source an akito and a new ATVM95 cartridge.
YMWOCVYFSKH
Commercial expediency? You can't deny that the Rega incompatibility is a commonly held opinion and it seems unlikely to have originated amongst end users? I don't know how many times I've heard it, a lot.
pocketkitchen
Registered User
Totally agree with this. I’ve heard loads of Regas on loads of Linns, some good, some not. A number of the bad ones turned out not to have the arm cable dealt with properly, thus fouling the suspension. Linn certainly used to have a strong vested interest in putting Rega down when they made arms that competed price wise. The 90 degree plug on Linn arms does make them a lot easier, though.
Well, in the early days, Linn were a small company and didn't supply an arm. But I assume that by the late 70s, Martin D and co had built up some knowledge of what did and didn't work (for their ears), and this helped steer their choice of arm design and any tweaks they were able to get implemented in Japan.
As for the Majik arms, again, they must have tested various arms and picked them based upon price and what best suited the deck but that doesn't make them ideal.
But let's not get stuck on the Rega arm topic as that decision seems made anyway.
I've heard an L4 deck but not compared to another PSU so can't help there. You have said you like the original LP12 PSU so David's suggestion of a Majik PSU makes sense, if you want something cheaper (that also meets modern safety regs). Linn did say that there's a little more to it than the original PSU - can't recall what though.
It's interesting that you say that, and technically I have no doubt that it's true, but if you listen to a very early LP12, or Ariston, and it has a bounce and swing to the sound the later decks don't. Not saying it's accurate, but it's nice.
True, and early Rega arms had really thin, soft cables on them. Made getting a bounce easy but the cable was a bit too floppy to counteract the suspension rotation well. The arms still worked but a thicker cable is easier.
I'd like to try and get better speed stability out of the thing without losing the warm, bouncy feel of the earlier decks. To be honest, that makes we wary of the stiffer subchassis as I reckon it might clean up the bass too much? Really don't know, I'm guessing as I've never had an LP12 with a subchassis beyond the Cirkus.
My view is that the ethos changed in the early 90s when Linn moved away from 'foot tapping' emphasis to tune dem, but this didn't really change the sound of the deck much until the SE upgrades. I have no proof of this - it's just what my ears tell me plus some knowledge of who was working on what - you can here this shift simply in the minor changes between a Lingo 1 and Lingo 2. Having said that, in order to improve the tune playing abilities, the overall ethos doesn't seem to have shifted all that much and managing vibrations still seems important.
Also, I don't think you can draw conclusions from the design decisions themselves, such as armboard screws, etc.. The key question is, 'what were they listening for?' - i.e. at that point in time, 'What was the evaluation technique that guided those design choices?'
I think it changed with the Lingo1 and Cirkus. Their speakers started to go in a different direction around the same time.
Chris
pfm Member
I seem to remember Leigh Norton saying this when he brought out the Airpower- to match the Lingo without losing the Nirvana.
That's a good ambition. Never heard one myself.
With Lingo/Ekos2/Adikt, I do hear less 'connectedness' between intertwined instruments in a mix compared to Valhalla/Ittok/Adikt, but the Lingo deck has its musical strengths too - i.e. it's not just a cleaner sound.
Yeah, I think you're probably right with the Lingo. Definitely the case for me with the Cirkus.
The deck I've bought is Cirkus but the pre-Cirkus bearings are just too old now. Your chances of getting a good one are remote.
Thank you for the offer. I'll see how it goes once the deck is up and running.
I was very fortunate to find an early bearing that had never been used. At one point Linn sold the LP12 as a kit of parts which you could assemble into your own plinth. Guy had bought one of the kits and never did anything with it.
david ellwood
Kirabosi Kognoscente
I think the stock item is aluminium, unless youre buying second hand.
This is why the new LP12 is such good value , you get a karousel and modern subchassis setup.
Have you already got an older deck? , if so id suggest the cheapest upgrade would be to buy a Karousel and a Majik Subchassis.
This is why the new LP12 is such good value , you get a karousel and modern subchassis setup.
Have you already got an older deck? , if so id suggest the cheapest upgrade would be to buy a Karousel and a Majik Subchassis.
Hi, if your looking at alternatives, I have personal experience of both Mober (Edmund Chan) and Stack Audio (Theo Stack). Both are real gents, exemplary customer service and top notch products. Theo has a website, Edmund used to post regularly on here and has a FB group I believe.
If your looking for plinths, then solid sounds are excellent. Again, a real gent to deal with.
How does the Stack one compare to the stock steel item? In what way does it change the sound?
The deck comes with a nice plinth but I'll see what it looks like in the flesh, may change it.