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Comin' over 'ere, with their second-to-none education and qualifications, stealing all the high paying professional jobs from the salt of the erffff locals.
Oh dear, another wannabe deCameron.
Comin' over 'ere, with their second-to-none education and qualifications, stealing all the high paying professional jobs from the salt of the erffff locals.
Oh dear, another wannabe deCameron.
As SteveG said above, my experience was most of my former colleagues in a highly Unionised industry wanted Brexit to reduce the number of brown people here. This was never promised by the likes of Farage yet was assumed by them to be an expected "benefit." The fact that it won't happen will just give the far right (most of Parliament and all the main media) an excuse to demonise and spread hate. I truly despair for this country.
Let me have your thoughts on the Common Agricultural Policy, Colin, fill some time.
That's a bit of a wet tirade, albeit wrapped up in your usual assertive aggression. I didn't even mention 'shared trading heritage', although there certainly is, or was, one. We blew it when we joined the EEC. I think in 1972 our trade with the commonwealth was something like 4 times that of the EEC. I wouldn't much blame them if they weren't in a rush to give it back.
You think I'm being aggressive? This from the man who calls a previous poster "Mastermind" 3 posts back?
Paragraph one is balderdash, the present tense doesn’t apply. The commonwealth isn’t a viable alternative to trade with Europe, it’s a vestigial cultural society with periodic meet ups and investitures from the Royal Family, most certainly not a trade block and what is there is dissolving. As for the Anglosphere- sorry but Australia and N.Z won’t cut it, nor will Canada and the last one- the US is going to prove very problematic because Good Friday Agreement. You’ve taken the same old knick knacks down off the shelf, dusted them and hoped no one would notice.Neither the fact that we are an island, nor that we wish for independence, makes us 'insular'. The UK developed through global trade, and via a global outlook. Our close links to the countries of the commonwealth and anglosphere are bonded in family, shared history and culture, a system of law, and of course language. It is pure historical revisionism to claim that we are insular.
It is denialism too to suggest that the EU works towards 'the common good'. The EU ultimately works only towards the good of its own ruling oligarchy, and to the aquistion and retention of power within that narrow elite. It is an overtly mercantilist bloc replete with subsidies and protections designed, as we are seeing, to barricade those outside from the privileges afforded to those inside. It is entirely inward-looking except in in so far as it seeks to export its vast rafts of suppressive standards, controls and regulations in order to control and reduce those outside.
I repeat my assertion that 'the common good' is far better served, historically, actually and potentially, by the 193 member United Nations.
I have plenty to fill my time and don’t need to waste it on fanatics and zealots.
Paragraph one is balderdash, the present tense doesn’t apply.
The commonwealth isn’t a viable alternative to trade with Europe...
As for the Anglosphere- sorry but Australia and N.Z won’t cut it, nor will Canada and the last one- the US is going to prove very problematic because Good Friday Agreement.
As to your fecundity of isms EV, I’m afraid denialism is at the heart of Brexit, though some are moving on to anger and bargaining. I’m guessing that’s where you are now?
And neither did I claim they would. I merely pointed out that the UK is not historically inward looking, having been built on an earlier form of globalism, of which those countries that you mention are all successful manifestations. I think there has been an extended period of introspection following our 'reduction' post Empire and Suez, but even de Gaulle acknowledged, repeatedly, that we would be unsuited to the European project due to our Atlanticist and global outlook, rather than a more introspective European one.
I believe that your point of view is a typically left-wing, declinist one, undoubtedly informed by your view of Britain as the great oppressor (to which Scotland has evolved a spurious sense of victimhood), one which conveniently forgets that Europe also largely comprises a group of ex-empires, several of them considerably more oppressive than our own, particularly the most recent and short lived one. It is ironic that, given that chequered history, the EU itself is driven by aspirations of empire, and manifests as a mercantilist project not averse to its own streak of mindless ruthlessness.
The government at the time knew Britain was in relative economic decline and that the Commonwealth could not compete with the 'European Project'. Britain has done very well out of the EEC/EU.
If you want to call the slave trade and dominionism ‘previous globalism’, I’m ok with that.That is your opinion, to which you are entitled. Needless to say, I vehemently disagree with it, whilst acknowledging the damage that we did to those relationships when we joined the EEC.
At no point did I say it was, and neither did I claim it as a trade block.
And neither did I claim they would. I merely pointed out that the UK is not historically inward looking, having been built on an earlier form of globalism, of which those countries that you mention are all successful manifestations. I think there has been an extended period of introspection following our 'reduction' post Empire and Suez, but even de Gaulle acknowledged, repeatedly, that we would be unsuited to the European project due to our Atlanticist and global outlook, rather than a more introspective European one.
I believe that your point of view is a typically left-wing, declinist one, undoubtedly informed by your view of Britain as the great oppressor (to which Scotland has evolved a spurious sense of victimhood), one which conveniently forgets that Europe also largely comprises a group of ex-empires, several of them considerably more oppressive than our own, particularly the most recent and short lived one. It is ironic that, given that chequered history, the EU itself is driven by aspirations of empire, and manifests as a mercantilist project not averse to its own streak of mindless ruthlessness.
If you want to call the slave trade and dominionism ‘previous globalism’, I’m ok with that.
Take a break from this and clear your head.Yes, it was as inevitable as that night follows day that you would be.
I'm going to. Skegness beckons.
Wow, never saw that coming.
https://www.theguardian.com/busines...-eurozone-us-jobs-stock-markets-business-live
When does the no food and no medicine prediction kick in ?
Should we have had that slogan on our bus ?