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Arlene Foster hanging by a thread.

DUP - a made up political party founded by someone who founded a made up fundamentalist, evangelical church. Say no more.
 
cooky1257 said:
He looks like a product of the evolutionary cul de sac of Neolithic incest.....
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In the words of the immortal Bill Hicks, well over 25yrs ago now ..:

...They believe this. But you ever notice how people who believe in Creationism usually look pretty unevolved? Eyes really close together, big furry hands and feet?
"I believe God created me in one day."
Yeah, looks like he rushed it.​
 
Caliente said:
DUP - a made up political party founded by someone who founded a made up fundamentalist, evangelical church. Say no more.
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Interestingly, an old school/university friend (sadly deceased) was the Presbyterian minister in Lissara Presbyterian in Crossgar, Co. Down, the church split by Ian Paisley to form the first Free Presbyterian Church. The departing members weren't happy with the shift from old hard-line Ulster Protestant positions (the ones where nearly everything was sinful). This sort of thinking is still prevalent in the Paisleyite old guard of the DUP, which is again trying to get the upper hand. In a changing Ireland, they are dooming themselves to irrelevancy, and may in fact be handing the First Monstership to the Shinners next year.
 
tones said:
Interestingly, an old school/university friend (sadly deceased) was the Presbyterian minister in Lissara Presbyterian in Crossgar, Co. Down, the church split by Ian Paisley to form the first Free Presbyterian Church. The departing members weren't happy with the shift from old hard-line Ulster Protestant positions (the ones where nearly everything was sinful). This sort of thinking is still prevalent in the Paisleyite old guard of the DUP, which is again trying to get the upper hand. In a changing Ireland, they are dooming themselves to irrelevancy, and may in fact be handing the First Monstership to the Shinners next year.
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Yes, history is against them, thank goodness.
 
Good riddance; it was her lot that supported the May government when they lost their majority in 2017.
 
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Woodface said:
Hard to pick a side in NI.
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Actually Sinn Fein is a socially progressive, left of centre party which is pro-European and wishes to allow a referendum on Irish reunification. It supports equal marriage and seeks to strike down discrimination on the grounds of sexual orientation and supports women’s right to choose abortion.

The DUP is a right wing party steeped in religious conservatism that seeks to allow discrimination against minorities on the grounds of ‘religious freedom’ to do so as it does with banning abortion. Indeed it used to called The Protestant Unionist Party and was founded by the Reverend Ian Paisley. It is anti-EU and aligns closely with the Tory Party, frequently voting in lock step with it. In fact one of its manifesto pledges was to ‘keep Jeremy Corbyn out of Downing St’. It was the only political party to oppose the Good Friday Agreement in 1998 and opposed power sharing with Irish Nationalists from the start.
 
Yes, I forgot. Absolutely nothing wrong with Sinn Fein, perfectly nice chaps who haven’t been involved with terrorism, executions & linked to cover ups over sex abuse.


They are great.
 
ISTR Ian Paisley being somewhat instrumental in getting the GFA over the line. All that jokiness about Paisley and McGuinness as the Chuckle Brothers. I can't remember the DUP opposition to the GFA at the time (not doubting you, Dec) but it seems odd that Paisley was on board, but his party wasn't. Or was it just that they came round in the end?
 
Woodface said:
Yes, I forgot. Absolutely nothing wrong with Sinn Fein, perfectly nice chaps who haven’t been involved with terrorism, executions & linked to cover ups over sex abuse.


They are great.
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Do you want the list of DUP- terrorist paramilitary associations?
 
TheDecameron said:
Actually Sinn Fein is a socially progressive, left of centre party which is pro-European and wishes to allow a referendum on Irish reunification. It supports equal marriage and seeks to strike down discrimination on the grounds of sexual orientation and supports women’s right to choose abortion.
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What you say is true, but the only problem with the Shinners is from whom they take their orders. Sinn Féin started life in the aftermath of the Easter Rising as the political wing of the IRA, and, although they deny it vigorously, it seems that this continues and the orders come from the IRA Army Council in Belfast. This is why Fianna Fáil and Fine Gael, old rivals who are essentially the opposite sides from the Free State v. Republican civil war that followed Partition, went into coalition to stop the Shinners having any seats in government - they were the biggest party in the last Irish elections. Sinn Féin deviates not at all from the IRA's official line - remember Gerry Adams's line, "the bullet and the ballot".

That the DUP has links with Loyalist paramilitary organisations is also true, but in no sense is the DUP ordered by them.

To have any legitimacy as a normal political party, Sinn Féin needs to break this association. However, as the two organisations are joined at the hip, this is extremely unlikely.
 
The multi-part BBC series on ‘The Troubles’ was a real eye-opener for me. It certainly proved at least as many links between the DUP/UDF/UDA etc and terrorism/murders as SF/IRA. The British state came out smelling remarkably unlike roses too. The whole thing is a bloody mess, as tribalism/nationalism always is.

That aside SF are unquestionably a exponentially less authoritarian, religiously bigoted, blinkered and homophobic party than the DUP, and that is what they should be judged on today.
 
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