Brian
Eating fat, staying slim
...people like you hadn’t helped enable a tory govt.
Brexit: give me a positive effect... VI
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ff1d1l
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....and people like you have helped to enable a tory government, brexit boy.
TheDecameron
Unicorns fart glitter.
It’s always someone else’s responsibility, anyone but those who voted for it and voted in their droves for Johnson to gerrit done.
Brian
Eating fat, staying slim
Nope, you’re wrong again. It’s quite a bad habit you have there.
Brian
Eating fat, staying slim
Who said that?
ff1d1l
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You're a considerable rarity then; someone who has swung to gammon and brexit post referendum? Most have gone the other way, when it became apparent that they were conned and it's a total shitshow. Perhaps you can share some of the many positives which have emerged over the last four years, and which are responsible for your volte-face?
Brian
Eating fat, staying slim
I’ve always liked gammon, been eating it for many years.
I haven’t ‘swung’. How I voted in 2016 is how I would vote now if the referendum was held again next week.
I will never help enable a tory seat, unlike you, given nationalism is your top priority whereas mine is doing whatever I can to prevent them winning a GE.
PhilofCas
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I’ve always liked gammon, been eating it for many years.
I haven’t ‘swung’. How I voted in 2016 is how I would vote now if the referendum was held again next week.
I will never help enable a tory seat, unlike you, given nationalism is your top priority whereas mine is doing whatever I can to prevent them winning a GE.
I think all you’re seeing is that Brian is a realist, he sounds pragmatic too.
We can shout and ball all we like, but we’re finishing our previous relationship with the EU at the end of the year and that’s that, how we depart is down to the same government that started it all off and, like Brian says, if people don’t like it, then they should vent their anger towards making sure the Tories aren’t given any chance at the next election.
davidsrsb
pfm Member
It isn't, but is a coalition of small countries that together are big enough to stand up to the USA and China and then be in a position to set the rules rather than be forced to obey someone elses.
stephen bennett
Mr Enigma
Seriously, why are the Tories and their Brexit supporters so keen to get out of the transition period whatever the cost.
We’ve left the EU.
We are in the middle of an economic crisis and leaving without a deal could turn it into a existential one.
The sensible option is to maintain the status quo until such time the effects can be mitigated. We can leave without a deal any time we like. No one can stop the U.K. in its ambition of self harm.
Its total madness to go ahead with this under the current circumstances.
Stephen
Brian
Eating fat, staying slim
Well, obviously.
What you didn’t go on to say is it’s a coalition of 27 countries that has no right or mandate from any electorate to tell Australia or anyone else how to run their country.
The EU is not the planet political policeman, butting into the business of how other countries operate, the US is heavily criticised for doing that. All those 27 counties need to do is concentrate on trade.
stephen bennett
Mr Enigma
Yes, because using your economic power to improve the environment is such a bad thing.
No country has to accept the EU’S (or US or China’s) conditions.
We do this too you know. With trade deals and sanctions with ‘less powerful’ countries. Look at the bullies we are when trying to get South Africa to abandon apartheid or Iran to abandon their nuclear arms.
Stephen.
stephen bennett
Mr Enigma
How will you feel when the US does just that with respect to health care and insurance?
We can accept a deal or not. Using the word ‘bully’ is emotional nonsense.
All countries try to get the best deal for themselves. Your visceral hatred makes you single the EU out when they behave in the same fashion as all other Blocs. In fact they are no worse (and usually better) than most.
Stephen
Brian
Eating fat, staying slim
What on earth makes you think I agree with such political interference when it is not the EU doing it? Your post is a load of rubbish.
Your problem is you’re so obsessed with brexit you imagine all manner of opinions are based on it. There are many important matters going on in this country and all over the world, my opinion on those issues is not formed by brexit or any particular opinion of the EU.
Sue Pertwee-Tyr
Accuphase all the way down
I agree with your repeated calls for a more civil debate, Brian, but you’re not helping your cause here.
stephen bennett
Mr Enigma
To answer my own question, I guess. They want their takings now.
Brexit Disaster Capitalism: £8 Billion Bet on No Deal Crash-Out by Boris Johnson’s Leave Backers
And to refer to another thread, why are so called journalists not repeating this kind of thing every single day and pointing it out at every press meeting?
This is why Johnson knows he can get away with anything. The stories are dropped when something else comes along, especially by the supine Tory press.
Stephen
Brexit Disaster Capitalism: £8 Billion Bet on No Deal Crash-Out by Boris Johnson’s Leave Backers
And to refer to another thread, why are so called journalists not repeating this kind of thing every single day and pointing it out at every press meeting?
This is why Johnson knows he can get away with anything. The stories are dropped when something else comes along, especially by the supine Tory press.
Stephen
SteveS1
I heard that, pardon?
Gove preparing his own little 'not me guv'. As if these facts were not available to him when he was slithering on to Farage's lawn.
"Colleagues of Michael Gove report that he has become steadily more alarmed about how badly Britain will suffer. Beef and lamb farmers would face tariffs of 40% to 100%, which would put many of them out of business. Car manufacturers would be confronted with export duties of 10%, which would make the viability of some of their factories highly doubtful. As the minister with chief responsibility for no-deal contingency planning, Mr Gove knows better than most what it would mean."
https://www.theguardian.com/comment...-with-danger-by-threatening-a-crashout-brexit
"Colleagues of Michael Gove report that he has become steadily more alarmed about how badly Britain will suffer. Beef and lamb farmers would face tariffs of 40% to 100%, which would put many of them out of business. Car manufacturers would be confronted with export duties of 10%, which would make the viability of some of their factories highly doubtful. As the minister with chief responsibility for no-deal contingency planning, Mr Gove knows better than most what it would mean."
https://www.theguardian.com/comment...-with-danger-by-threatening-a-crashout-brexit
stephen bennett
Mr Enigma
Frankly, I just ignore it.
It’s true though that I’m pretty obsessed with keeping my job and others not falling into penury because of Brexit.
I do find it strange that leavers see themselves as victims when it was our choice to leave the EU.
Ironically, in a way, it’s those of us who voted to remain who really understand where the U.K. stands in this power balance.
And when the US insist on us opening up agriculture and the NHS, I won’t be calling them bullies. I will of course support any cause I can to stop that happening. And it will be happening as a direct result of Brexit.
Stephen
Brian
Eating fat, staying slim
Nor are people deliberately attributing false opinions.
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