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Sadly we don’t live in the kind of anarchistic, people-powered utopia that ex-cops such as yerself tend to crave.

Thanks for that:rolleyes:.

I work in primary schools, delivering sessions on all sorts of stuff - I've mentioned it on PFM before. I totally get your point around coordinated, clear, unambiguous advice. I've seen differing actions and control measures in different schools due to the 'flexibility' or 'ambiguous' advice given.

My point is there can be a balance, with some people. Indeed, some contributors on here have described the balance, or compromises, they are having to make. We do this all the time in everyday life. Covid has magnified this, tho, due to the consequences of what it can do.

Interesting you use the word anarchistic to describe me?
Collins dictionary - "If you describe someone as anarchistic, you disapprove of them because they pay no attention to the rules or laws that everyone else obeys."

Where have I said this? What I have in effect said is I can make a decision, based on my circumstances, on the side of caution and common sense. I do sometimes feel that isn't being applied by others - again due to some of the reasons you have mentioned before (lack of government clarity, accountability etc)

I certainly don't crave 'no' attention to the rule of law, for obvious reasons. On this occasion, I feel your compass is off. I was actually deployed to do my particular role as I did ensure the law, with appropriate discretion, was upheld fairly.

FWIW I feel the police have been placed, in some instances, in a no-win situation due to the legislation and direction they are getting.
 
I sense that Starmer's slowly drifting in the right direction but he's not guided by principle, only opportunity.
To be fair, I don’t blame Starmer personally, but it seems he’s hamstrung by the right wing cabal within Labour whose overriding policy principle is appeasing the 1%
 
Apparently, the Mail comments section published this list. Not sure if that’s true but the data is available openly.

₤252m to Ayanda Capital, registered in Mauritius for tax purposes. PPE not delivered.

₤186m to Uniserve. PPE not delivered.

₤116m to P14 Medical Supplies, with assets of just ₤145. PPE not delivered.

₤108m to PestFix, with just 16 employees. PPE not delivered.

₤107m to Clandeboye Agencies, a sweet wholesaler. Yes, a sweet wholesaler. PPE not delivered.

₤40m to Medicine Box Ltd, with assets of just ₤6000. PPE not delivered.

₤48m to Initia Ventures Ltd, which registered itself as dormant in March. PPE not delivered.

₤28m to Monarch Acoustics, which makes shop furniture. PPE not delivered.

₤25m to Luxe Lifestyle, which has no employees, no assets, and no turnover. PPE not delivered.

₤18m to Aventis Solutions, which has total assets of ₤332. Not a typo, 332. PPE not delivered.

₤10m to Medco Solutions, incorporated just 3 days after lockdown, with share capital of (not a typo) ₤2. PPE not delivered

In all, approx ₤1bn to inexplicable suppliers for PPE that hasn't been delivered.

What are the chances these companies have connections to the Conservatives?

But, Brexit ...

Stephen

It’s not just the Mail. The FT has a similar story.

Around 16,000 potential suppliers contacted a 500-person buying team set up by the Cabinet Office in March...

However, the process has been criticised for awarding large sums of taxpayer money to several companies that appear to have no record in supplying PPE and have small balance sheets or poor recent financial performance. It has prompted concern over the extent of due diligence that was conducted before the contract awards....

Peter Smith, managing director at consultancy Procurement Excellence, said normal procurement practice had “gone out the window”, adding: “
My hope is that there is some method in the madness.”

Method or Madness?

There are third and fourth options; deceit and corruption.
 
Thanks for that:rolleyes:.

I work in primary schools, delivering sessions on all sorts of stuff - I've mentioned it on PFM before. I totally get your point around coordinated, clear, unambiguous advice. I've seen differing actions and control measures in different schools due to the 'flexibility' or 'ambiguous' advice given.

My point is there can be a balance, with some people. Indeed, some contributors on here have described the balance, or compromises, they are having to make. We do this all the time in everyday life. Covid has magnified this, tho, due to the consequences of what it can do.

Interesting you use the word anarchistic to describe me?
Collins dictionary - "If you describe someone as anarchistic, you disapprove of them because they pay no attention to the rules or laws that everyone else obeys."

Where have I said this? What I have in effect said is I can make a decision, based on my circumstances, on the side of caution and common sense. I do sometimes feel that isn't being applied by others - again due to some of the reasons you have mentioned before (lack of government clarity, accountability etc)

I certainly don't crave 'no' attention to the rule of law, for obvious reasons. On this occasion, I feel your compass is off. I was actually deployed to do my particular role as I did ensure the law, with appropriate discretion, was upheld fairly.

FWIW I feel the police have been placed, in some instances, in a no-win situation due to the legislation and direction they are getting.
Was only joking about the anarchism bit Andrew.
 
Was only joking about the anarchism bit Andrew.


anarchism is a very serious business, and so prescient for our times!

liberty without socialism is privilege... Mikhail Bakunin 1867
we see today how unchallenged economic liberty leads to £billions handed to the already privileged and well connected under the shield of national emergency
 
The ASCL has written to Johnson this morning - still relatively weak but it adds to the pressure

The letter warns of a “deep sense of foreboding about the potential for the system to become ever-more riddled with delays as more cases emerge”. It says that if pupils and staff cannot get test results quickly, the consequences could be “increasingly disruptive to children’s education and make staffing unsustainable”.

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...0891dfedfaa5d6#block-5f61d4b28f0891dfedfaa5d6
 
Just Google "Britain's £5.5bn bill for procuring emergency PPE brings scrutiny" and click on the first result. It bypasses the paywall.
Having read the article the following paragraph sums things up :-

"Procurement experts said it was too early to make any judgments on the contract awards. “We don’t know enough about these organisations and it would be good to know why they have been chosen. However, the proof is in the pudding and if they deliver then we should be grateful,” said Ian Makgill, director of consultancy OpenOpps."

At the moment it all seems little more than speculation and the normal political point scoring that prevails on here.
 
Having read the article the following paragraph sums things up :-

"Procurement experts said it was too early to make any judgments on the contract awards. “We don’t know enough about these organisations and it would be good to know why they have been chosen. However, the proof is in the pudding and if they deliver then we should be grateful,” said Ian Makgill, director of consultancy OpenOpps."

At the moment it all seems little more than speculation and the normal political point scoring that prevails on here.
You really think giving millions to the sort of companies listed below seems rational?

₤40m to Medicine Box Ltd, with assets of just ₤6000. PPE not delivered.

₤48m to Initia Ventures Ltd, which registered itself as dormant in March. PPE not delivered.

₤25m to Luxe Lifestyle, which has no employees, no assets, and no turnover. PPE not delivered.

₤18m to Aventis Solutions, which has total assets of ₤332. Not a typo, 332. PPE not delivered.

₤10m to Medco Solutions, incorporated just 3 days after lockdown, with share capital of (not a typo) ₤2. PPE not delivered

Aside from the evident fact that these companies are literally not in the business of supplying PPE, some of them look likely to be off the shelf shell companies , I’m not sure they’d qualify for an overdraft, let alone millions in government contracts. You think querying this is point scoring?
 
Sickening to watch out of work MEP Daniel Hannan on BBC defending test failures on the part of government. “Your kids immune system won’t have had its normal workout, children don’t get ill with it, we are world leading in test numbers after Israel”. WTactualF??


“...a lie so "colossal" that no one would believe that someone "could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously".
 
Having read the article the following paragraph sums things up :-

"Procurement experts said it was too early to make any judgments on the contract awards. “We don’t know enough about these organisations and it would be good to know why they have been chosen. However, the proof is in the pudding and if they deliver then we should be grateful,” said Ian Makgill, director of consultancy OpenOpps."

At the moment it all seems little more than speculation and the normal political point scoring that prevails on here.
Ian Makgill sounds like a moron.

Ian Makgill is hardly impartial: https://twitter.com/ianmakgill

He is, in his own words, "on a mission to open every public tender in the world" and his company's vision states "We believe assisting more companies to win government contracts not only boosts business but also allows the public sector to benefit from greater choice from multiple suppliers, delivering the best value to everyone".

Fair enough, but he is clearly someone with a vested interest in privatisation,in the broadest sense.

By the way, political disagreement is not the same as "political point scoring".
 
I’d never expect anything even remotely honest or truthful from Daniel Hannan. The man is a professional bullshitter, albeit now unemployed.
 
Ian Makgill sounds like a moron.

Ian Makgill is hardly impartial: https://twitter.com/ianmakgill

He is, in his own words, "on a mission to open every public tender in the world" and his company's vision states "We believe assisting more companies to win government contracts not only boosts business but also allows the public sector to benefit from greater choice from multiple suppliers, delivering the best value to everyone".

Fair enough, but he is clearly someone with a vested interest in privatisation,in the broadest sense.

By the way, political disagreement is not the same as "political point scoring".
Ideal HoL candidate for the Tory benches.
 
It’s not just the Mail. The FT has a similar story.

Around 16,000 potential suppliers contacted a 500-person buying team set up by the Cabinet Office in March...

However, the process has been criticised for awarding large sums of taxpayer money to several companies that appear to have no record in supplying PPE and have small balance sheets or poor recent financial performance. It has prompted concern over the extent of due diligence that was conducted before the contract awards....

Peter Smith, managing director at consultancy Procurement Excellence, said normal procurement practice had “gone out the window”, adding: “
My hope is that there is some method in the madness.”

Method or Madness?

There are third and fourth options; deceit and corruption.

Method.

Also see

The UK is spending $500m (£400m) on a stake in failed satellite firm OneWeb as part of a plan to replace use of the EU's Galileo sat-nav system.
OneWeb went bankrupt in March while trying to build a spacecraft network to deliver broadband.


If there's not money going into Tory-related coffers from this I'll eat my MiniMoog. Same goes for PPE, Track and Trace and Testing.

Stephen
 

I thought that the Government buying back failing /private businesses into public ownership and making them national assets again is OK.

Or is that only trains? ;)
 
I’d never expect anything even remotely honest or truthful from Daniel Hannan. The man is a professional bullshitter, albeit now unemployed.
Watching him now being given oxygen by the BBC- he’s an Alt Right, Fox News style truth twister. Gets caught lying, switches tack and comes out with some fresh alternative facts.
 
Ian Makgill sounds like a moron.

Ian Makgill is hardly impartial: https://twitter.com/ianmakgill

He is, in his own words, "on a mission to open every public tender in the world" and his company's vision states "We believe assisting more companies to win government contracts not only boosts business but also allows the public sector to benefit from greater choice from multiple suppliers, delivering the best value to everyone".

Fair enough, but he is clearly someone with a vested interest in privatisation,in the broadest sense.

By the way, political disagreement is not the same as "political point scoring".
Ah, choice. In much the same way that selling off council houses led to more choice for people desperate for somewhere to live now?
 
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