Next Labour Leader: Keir Starmer
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gavreid
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This 18 year old gets it - Starmer's selling his future to the City
‘He could be a lot harder on the government’
Jude Stevens, 18, Sutton Coldfield
“Starmer does a fantastic job at PMQs usually, he’s very articulate and forensic, but often he doesn’t do a great job of holding the government to account on their many failings. With the huge amount of mistakes made, Starmer could be going a lot harder on them.
“In the last few elections, young people have begun to turn out in higher numbers, especially for Labour, and that’s because we were inspired by the politics that Labour stood for – viable socialism, ambitious climate measures, huge funding for the NHS.
“Labour is at risk of becoming a watered-down Tory party. For those of us on the left, if Labour continue this move to the centre, the Greens or a progressive Lib Dems could become a more appealing choice. It’s all well and good becoming electable but what’s the point if all you’ll do is maintain the status quo of the last 10 years?”
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...on-100-days-of-keir-starmer-labour-leadership
‘He could be a lot harder on the government’
Jude Stevens, 18, Sutton Coldfield
“Starmer does a fantastic job at PMQs usually, he’s very articulate and forensic, but often he doesn’t do a great job of holding the government to account on their many failings. With the huge amount of mistakes made, Starmer could be going a lot harder on them.
“In the last few elections, young people have begun to turn out in higher numbers, especially for Labour, and that’s because we were inspired by the politics that Labour stood for – viable socialism, ambitious climate measures, huge funding for the NHS.
“Labour is at risk of becoming a watered-down Tory party. For those of us on the left, if Labour continue this move to the centre, the Greens or a progressive Lib Dems could become a more appealing choice. It’s all well and good becoming electable but what’s the point if all you’ll do is maintain the status quo of the last 10 years?”
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...on-100-days-of-keir-starmer-labour-leadership
ks.234
Half way to Infinity
Yes. People were saying ‘just get it done’ way before it became a slogan. It was a great slogan because it echoed precisely what people across the Brexit divide were thinking. Rather than looking for scapegoats we on the Remain side should be understanding why that slogan found such a wide audience, because that audience is still there and will need to be appeased in the next election
SteveS1
I heard that, pardon?
At 18 the answer is always let's be more left wing. He'll learn if he's unfortunate enough to see repeats of that. He might like to save himself some time and heartache by studying how well it has gone before. But yes, when all else fails split away into factions that have absolutely no chance - that'll do it.
Cummings must be sh1tting conkers reading such revolutionary (sic) thinking. Possibly not.
SteveS1
I heard that, pardon?
To be fair, they were, and still are in a position of having to prove negatives. I doubt even the reality of what was announced yesterday as the 'oven ready' deal will make a difference to those not directly involved. How would you counter the sloganising, join in with better ones? Serious question.
gavreid
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I've think you've lost sight of what left wing is. It doesn't begin with anything to the left of Genghis Khan, the lad expresses a view that would place him firmly within mainstream Labour of the 80s and you're implying that he's some kind of radical.
ciderglider
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How many governments did Labour form in the 80s?
gavreid
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The 50s, 60s or 70s then - Christ you're obtuse
ks.234
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I’m nowhere near knowledgeable enough to have any useful insights into countering slogan using, but Just Get It Done was successful because it was something that large swathes of voters were already saying out loud, as such, the slogan was just an echo of what was being said out loud in the pub long before it came out of Cummings‘ mouthpiece. It was successful precisely because it wasn’t just a slogan, it was a reflection of what people were saying and feeling.
Of course, what people feel politically is manipulated by the right wing media, but then the right wing media is just a reflection of what in this country is broadly speaking a right wing electorate
ks.234
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Labour did still exist in the 80’s
Seeker_UK
Feelin' nearly faded as my jeans
"Get Brexit Done" worked because it used the simplest, most effective, worst-kept secret in advertising and public messaging: the rule of three. "Education, Education, Education", "Liberté, égalité, fraternité", "Dig for Victory", "Freedom is Slavery", you get the idea. Whilst we like to think we're all above such obvious manipulation, we're not. It works.
You're seeing it used more and more now because one of the people behind the messaging coming out of No 10 used it to great effect in 2016 with "Take Back Control" again, a three word slogan and bland enough to tap into many people's thoughts that, "yep, I have little control over my lot in life, this is the answer, obvs" and memorable enough (rule of three) to stick. As I stated elsewhere, this seems to be the only tool in the public messaging toolbox at the moment. Perhaps it's because the speed that messages need to be generated at the moment to deal with the changing circumstances of Covid preclude a more considered approach, only time will tell. What will happen if the a**e is kicked out of it, it will lose some of its effectiveness as people will see it for what it is and ridicule it (look at the meme generator that came out after the 'Stay Alert' message came out).
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droodzilla
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The obvious answer is to compare the vision and boldness of the 2017 Labour manifesto with the weakness and timidity of the 2015 manifesto (sadly, Ed Milliband did not trust his soft-left instincts and was unduly influenced by the right of the party).
ks.234
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As someone who gets labelled ‘hard left’ and ‘far left’, it means a fairer society and a commitment to public services. The fact that such an idea is now ‘far’ left demonstrates how far to the right politics have shifted
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