Well, exactly, then there seems to be a new cheaper line to replace the best versions of the same speakers that Harbeth could come up with, not really new models, let alone arrogantly called extended definition. If so, disappointing to say the least.Likely better to frame any buying decision within context of pricing/ availability of preferred finish.
Anniversary models are limited editions. Last few with select dealers - they're no longer being produced. The only line now is the XD.
Well, exactly, then there seems to be a new cheaper line to replace the best versions of the same speakers that Harbeth could come up with, not really new models, let alone arrogantly called extended definition. If so, disappointing to say the least.
It is. The fact that you need to create a username and log in just to view the contents on the forum just shows that they practice iron-fist control over everything on their own forum.Unfortunately HUG is a sad and quite depressing place.
Used Anniversaries and older models of the Harbeth would be great value. If the XD is just marketing and exactly the same as the Anniversaries with omission of fancy WBT plugs, wiring and plates, it's overpriced at their new prices IMO. I'm done with Harbeth. Their regular models are the best value. There are many other better speaker options out there and it's wise to consider the competition before plunking the money down for the XDs.No, the XD range will be, as annies no longer available new, only ever intended to be a limited edition and in view of this, will be much sort after on used market.
Mine will be up for sale in about a month.
Mac
I always admired Harbeth for not getting on the ‘new capacitors/new connectors/etc.’ bandwagon.
Just producing competent loudspeakers always made sense to me.
Was it/is it marketing taking over from good engineering ?
( I’ve always avoided speakers with trendy terminals and the like )
My P3-ESRs just did the job.
What else do you want from a pair of speakers ?
It is. The fact that you need to create a username and log in just to view the contents on the forum just shows that they practice iron-fist control over everything on their own forum.
Yes, so true. Then you get in there and can find no genuine information, only a group of, yes, disciples prepared to agree to anything in exchange of desperately seeking and hoping for any nod of approval from the Master who masks a priest/marketing job behind science slogans and is full of fear and insecurities in full range to plain rudeness (to his actual customers!). He has been able to maintain and produce the excellent BBC designs for some time, so this is a good thing but it looks like others will be more likely to make any real next step in innovation.It is. The fact that you need to create a username and log in just to view the contents on the forum just shows that they practice iron-fist control over everything on their own forum.
Well, that's actually what they've done over the years pretty much from what I can see? Since you mention, let's take their P3ESR SE (i.e. next model then to the P3ESR) - it had a big inscription on the back saying something like "studio grade OFC" or very similar I believe - to justify a "new" model? Then came the capacitors, connectors and veneers. Not that good quality capacitors and connectors do not make sense, this is what they should be in the first place at their prices in the premium market. I don't disagree that a good pair of speakers is a good pair of speakers, but to the ill-disguised hypocrisy with customers now telling them that the better capacitors and connectors thing was just a bling (really? thank you for believing and buying!), and after selling them to the world as the pinnacle of innovation a few weeks ago.I always admired Harbeth for not getting on the ‘new capacitors/new connectors/etc.’ bandwagon.
....Was it/is it marketing taking over from good engineering ?
( I’ve always avoided speakers with trendy terminals and the like )
My P3-ESRs just did the job.
What else do you want from a pair of speakers ?
You have a point, to a certain extent.
My concern is sensible ( read better ) components are often followed by the snake-oil types.
The audio world is full of rubbish about components.
Hopefully Alan Shaw can keep away from this when designing and selling his speakers.
Yeah, free speech seem to be a problem for some forum administrators
I bought a pair of P3 Anniversary editions because they sounded great to me. I would of bought the Falcon version but not when they wanted around £800 to £900 for the stands to go with them. I think most manufactures take the wet with at least some of their range.
Mike
Sorry thought you wrote £800-£900 for a pair of speakers for a minute.
Makes the ProAc Tablette 10 and other similar priced/ designed speakers decent VFM.
There's a couple of good unofficial Harbeth FB sites if anyone's interested.