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Aligning the Labour Party with the party of racism rather than with the protesters against racism is ‘brains’?
Looks more like cowardice to me
Where is the labour party aligning itself with racism?.
Aligning the Labour Party with the party of racism rather than with the protesters against racism is ‘brains’?
Looks more like cowardice to me
The democratic process for doing this doesn't exist. So either we construct one, or just pull them down. They're only 3rd rate statues of awful people, so if there are excesses, I mean, who cares?
...the 'hokie cokie' which is and anti-Catholic nursery rhyme which I've even sung myself as a child and I'm Catholic.
Colston left £74,000 to Bristol when he died that money, slave money, is still benefiting people in Bristol to this day, that money, whatever is left of it should be handed to the families of the people who were bought and sold by this bstard.
Yep. That's what it's all about.
Apparently, it might be anti-catholic. A Catholic priest ...
That’s for the angry mob to decide!Please define what makes a person "awful" - it might make deciding which statues stay up and which come down a lot easier.
The Provost of Wakefield Cathedral - that well known bastion of catholicism in West Yorkshire
It’s not like protesters were presented with a choice. They’re still not, in fact, and it’s much more likely that there’ll be some reparation because of what they’ve done.I think that using his financial legacy to start to deal with the hurt and other problems his deeds (and those of other slavers) have caused down the years is a far more constructive way than chucking a 150-year old lump of bronze into the Avon however good it makes you feel.
He's Anglican which is 'Catholic and reformed'.
But this is to not only miss the point, it runs contrary to the point. The statue has been a bone of contention for decades. There has already been a calm official decision to do as you suggest, highlighted; a decision to address it, either by taking it down or by adding a new plaque stating the true nature of his business interests. That decision has been stonewalled for years, possibly also decades.To attack Colston's statue seems somehow childish and unrealistic. If there were a calm, official decision to take it down, to underline official condemnation, today, of what was perfectly legitimate 300 years ago, it might be more reasonable and give credit to the local politicians for taking a moral stance. But a moral stance on what, exactly? Colston was not just a slave trader. He did lots of other things, most of them very good. He only had, like many other Bristol merchants of his day, an interest in a company that invested in the slave trade.
I think that using his financial legacy to start to deal with the hurt and other problems his deeds (and those of other slavers) have caused down the years is a far more constructive way than chucking a 150-year old lump of bronze into the Avon however good it makes you feel.
There has already been a calm official decision to address it, either by taking it down or by adding a new plaque stating the true nature of his business interests. That decision has been stonewalled for years, possibly also decades.
i.e they have no ties with Rome. The fact that their beliefs have some overlap with Catholicism is neither here not there. He's simply not a Catholic Priest
It’s not like protesters were presented with a choice. They’re still not, in fact.
there's Art in museums and historical artefacts in Art Galleries. Both serve a double purpose, delivering information and aesthetic pleasure IMO. I think my general point was clear?You seem to be confusing the respective roles of museums and art galleries.
Seriously, they've tried that for 30 years, with zero to show for it. Local power structures are immensely difficult to change, and that is demonstrably - 30 years! - what would be required to accomplish this one basic act of decency and respect. Now everyone's talking about British history and structural racism, and black people in Bristol don't have to put up with this living symbol of the contempt in which they're held.Perhaps they could play the long game and get elected to Bristol Council and get the changes made that way. I appreciate it's not as quick or immediately satisfying as assembling a mob and toppling a lump of metal into a body of water but it can also lead to change.
And has the plus it gets a new generation and new way of thinking into running Bristol.
i.e they have no ties with Rome. The fact that their beliefs have some overlap with Catholicism is neither here not there. He's simply not a Catholic Priest
Fair enough. I still stand by my point; it's had at least a hundred or more years as a harmless children's song until someone (Rangers fans or Anglican Priest) decided it was anti-Catholic and then somehow was proven by being connected to a story of dubious provenance that it was invented by Puritans.