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Vast Brexit thread merge part III

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In the context of Johnson trying to manoeuvre any hint of criticism into his end game big blame territory I think “we can see a possible pathway to a possible deal” is a euphemism for “you’re talking bollocks again, Boris”
Same with the fat liar’s Saturday Parliamentary sitting stunt. Eve of war 1939. The bogus Churchill will have the neck to get up in a Parliament with Churchill’s grandson, who he threw out of the Conservative Party, sitting behind him.
 
I am not sure I really understand Southern Irelands position, if they push too hard they will get exactly what they don't want. I appreciate that Brexit is an English confection but surely some kind of compromise can be achieved?

Because there is a *world* of difference politically between being forced into a hard border by the Brits than being part of an agreement to bring about such a scheme.
 
Have you forgotten that May's withdrawal agreement (it's not a deal) was a direct consequence of her red lines?

Or that May triggered A50 before discussing what was and wasn't acceptable to the house of democratically elected MPs?

Or that May didn't get a majority in the 2017 GE?
No.
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I am not sure I really understand Southern Irelands position, if they push too hard they will get exactly what they don't want. I appreciate that Brexit is an English confection but surely some kind of compromise can be achieved?

They're just trying to minimise the collateral damage while lil england is hellbent on maximising it. Quite sensible really under the circumstances
 
They're just trying to minimise the collateral damage while lil england is hellbent on maximising it. Quite sensible really under the circumstances
Ireland is no more than collateral damage to the Tories. Varadkar is wise to Bullingdon Fatso’s manoeuvrings. He has the whole EU behind him after all.

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Johnson sports an extra long Trump-style lyin’ tie.
 
Why do leavers frequently refer to remain politicians as 'the establishment?'

Surely is nothing more establishmentarian than someone who has come off the Prep school + private coaching > Eaton > Oxford > PPE > drop the E in year three > inherit Daddy's money > Tory Party > Brexiteer production line.

George Orwell had something to say about there being two elites in Nineteen-Eighty-Four in Goldstein's book, as I recall.

The so-called 'Metropolitan Elites' are just modern-day Whigs. The real elites, the Ultras are the abovementioned Eton landed gentry set. It is basically Old Money versus New Money all over again.

Brexit is essentially a rerun of 1846, the political battle between the industrialists and landowners over the Corn Laws. The former wanted to scrap tariffs on imported grain in order to bring down food costs so they could pay their workers less. The latter wanted to protect their wealth even if it meant that the peasants, in particular the Irish, had to starve from time to time.

Brexit is revenge by the Ultras for the scrapping of tariffs on corn. They want the industrialists to feel the pain they felt after 1846 when scrapping tariffs on imported manufactured goods wipes out UK manufacturing and agriculture along with the tariffs imposed on these being exported.

The Ultras don't bother with corn now. They are more interested in casino banking, hedge funds, making a fast buck, volatile emerging markets and hiding it all in the Cayman Islands.

Look up Professor Patrick Minford of Cardiff University. He basically advised Thatcher to de-industrialise the UK. He is advising the Brexiteers to finish the job.

The Ultras are basically using the peasants and workers as useful idiots.
 
We’ve had 3.5 years of stagnation while May has been trying to do a remain deal that can be sold as a leave deal. Parliament has been in deadlock, hard-remainers doing everything possible to impede progress in their attempt to overturn a democratic referendum. None of it is a surprise.

The secrion below reveals the politics of the person who wrote the report and of the child who wrote this story for a comic pretending to be a serious newspaper...
Remaining in the EU would be best for growth,” the study concludes – although the benefit could be wiped out by Labour’s plans to hike tax, nationalise industries and tighten labour market regulation, it argues.

The desperation of the hard-remainers has become quite a spectacle the last couple of days and it’s getting worse.

Desperate ? Just trying to save No Dealers from themselves.
But I'm OK with it now: got the popcorn ready for the spectacle of Leavers eating Leavers.
 
They'll be even pricier if the UK imposes the same 9.8% tariff as the EU on cars from third countries.

Good. Think of the environment.

Why anyone would buy a new car is beyond me when you can get the same thing for half the price albeit a couple of years old. Cars last for ages these days. Mine is 12 years old and in great nick. I do the servicing myself to keep it in good condition and I hope to keep it for another 12 years until I retire.

Less cars in the world is a good thing in my book.

Ray
 
Why anyone would buy a new car is beyond me when you can get the same thing for half the price albeit a couple of years old.

Less cars in the world is a good thing in my book.

Ray

Doesn't quite evince joined up thinking .

But less cars, I have to agree
 
Good. Think of the environment.

Why anyone would buy a new car is beyond me when you can get the same thing for half the price albeit a couple of years old. Cars last for ages these days. Mine is 12 years old and in great nick. I do the servicing myself to keep it in good condition and I hope to keep it for another 12 years until I retire.

Less cars in the world is a good thing in my book.

Ray
My wife works in the automotive industry. It is an industry that employs hundreds of thousands of people in the UK, pays well and creates a lot of tax revenue. It requires significant capital investment and research and development and much of that is currently for hybrid and all-electric power trains which are much better for the environment.

It is almost entirely owned by foreign investors because it does not yield returns big or fast enough for your average Etonian Brexiteer casino banker share price and currency manipulator spiv.

If you think that the loss of this industry in the UK is 'worth it' ...

Using the environment as a justification is rather glib. The cars will still.be made but the jobs in design, R & D, manufacture and supply chains will go elsewhere.

The UK will face the devil's choice between a tariff on all imported cars from anywhere* and every where or no tariffs. The former will.make imported cars more expensive and only mitigate damage to the UK's industry. The latter will wipe it out.

*Sourh Korea may be the exception as they are the only country to have agreed to roll over their trade deal with the EU to the UK.
 
Good. Think of the environment.

Why anyone would buy a new car is beyond me when you can get the same thing for half the price albeit a couple of years old. Cars last for ages these days. Mine is 12 years old and in great nick. I do the servicing myself to keep it in good condition and I hope to keep it for another 12 years until I retire.

Less cars in the world is a good thing in my book.

Ray

For there to be older cars for you to feel virtuous about buying, there needs to be new ones. Is this Brexiteer logic?
 
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