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Oh Britain, what have you done (part ∞+14)?

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Just the socialists then...

I'll settle for successive French governments.

Maybe not.. but according to you THEY do.. in which case they are just as wrong as most UK Brexit fantasists.

Really? I didn't say that they ascribe all the blame for their troubles on the EU. I think you did.

Would that be the same remote,distant, unreachable, unresponsive, uncaring govt. that funded so many projects to regenerate those same areas of deprivation caused by Tory policy, and which yet were still duped by Tories into voting against the very EU which funded regeneration efforts and supported their human, employment and environmental rights? The same EU which did what any responsible home Govt should have done.. ?

Well, that lot is a matter of conjecture. For a start the country has only had a Tory government since 2015. Prior to that there was a Tory-led coalition. Between 1987 and 2011 the UK was under Labour administrations. EU-funded (actually UK taxpayer-funded) initiatives in the deindustrialised and rural areas have failed to generate affection for the EU itself, so either they haven't worked, or people feel as if the initiatives have in some way failed them. This may or may not be to do with communication, but I suspect it has as much to do with the fact that the EU is a distant, remote, centralised patronage that is perceived as rather haughtily handing out cake where it decides it is needed (and then boasting loudly about it), and is completely unnaccountable to the people themselves. The EU is the opposite to communitarian, and I believe that communitarianism - taking the tax-raising and tax-spending decisions as close as possible to the people whom those decisions affect - is the, or to some degree a, way forward.
 
Projection is the psychological phenomenon where someone denies some aspect of their behavior or attitudes and assumes instead that others are doing or thinking so. It is usually seen as the externalisation of a person's negative traits, placing blame on an outside force such as the environment, a government, a society or other people.

EV, I’m afraid you’ve been caught so many times affecting ignorance here, I’ve now lost count.

No, I haven't, but I've repeatedly been tried and found guilty in the closed court and jury of decameron on the basis of rigged evidence, usually of being a dyed in the wool racist, and always with the objective of getting me slung off the forum. I've watched you doing the same thing to every other person on this thread with whom you don't agree, and who doesn't fit into the brethren of the echo chamber.

People have different opinions to your own. Get used to it.
 
No, I haven't, but I've repeatedly been tried and found guilty in the closed court and jury of decameron on the basis of rigged evidence, usually of being a dyed in the wool racist, and always with the objective of getting me slung off the forum. I've watched you doing the same thing to every other person on this thread with whom you don't agree, and who doesn't fit into the brethren of the echo chamber.

People have different opinions to your own. Get used to it.
I’d invite you to post the evidence regarding the ‘objective to get you slung off the forum ’ bit and accusations of ‘dyed in the wool racism’. These are not inconsequential claims youre making EV. Would it help if I said that what Im hearing in your posts is windy ethnic nationalism redolent of the 1950s? Certainly not racism.
 
No, I haven't, but I've repeatedly been tried and found guilty in the closed court and jury of decameron on the basis of rigged evidence, usually of being a dyed in the wool racist, and always with the objective of getting me slung off the forum. I've watched you doing the same thing to every other person on this thread with whom you don't agree, and who doesn't fit into the brethren of the echo chamber.

People have different opinions to your own. Get used to it.

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I’d invite you to post the evidence regarding the ‘objective to get you slung off the forum ’ bit and accusations of ‘dyed in the wool racism’. These are not inconsequential claims youre making EV.

OK, I can see where this is heading. In the face of overwhelming affectations of ignorance, I withdraw my accusation.
 
Still, you've posted that so many times before that it now lacks something by way of originality.

Who claimed it was original?
Until you desist with your regular affecting of victimhood it's the most appropriate response I can find.
You and Nige are two peas in a pod, and let's be honest your posts have a certain quality of déjà vu about them.


And I am certainly not claiming victimhood.

Know yourself.

I've repeatedly been tried and found guilty in the closed court and jury of decameron on the basis of rigged evidence, usually of being a dyed in the wool racist, and always with the objective of getting me slung off the forum.

OK, I can see where this is heading. In the face of overwhelming affectations of ignorance, I withdraw my accusation.

obvious lack of any evidence is obvious
 
Would it help if I said that what Im hearing in your posts is windy ethnic nationalism redolent of the 1950s? Certainly not racism.

Sorry, you keep adding sentences to the post.

OK, fine, not racism. I utterly reject accusations of (white, you forgot white) ethnic nationalism, and accept those of windiness.
 
I have come around to this way of thinking. I think May knows that eventually parliament will be forced to approve her deal, perhaps slightly tweaked,
Tweaked how? Just another of May's sleight of hand tricks as are the "talks" now taking place, she has no shame. I see trouble ahead.
 
The whole of the UK should be held in contempt at this point, another ref, another GE, "non existent tweaks" to this dead deal, Forcing a decision to remain (May's deal) should there be a ref (very democratic), we are heading for no deal or no Brexit folks, forget the circus, forget the trickery, ignore the surrounding media fascination, either outcome will be decisive on a social level, I would offer that ending Brexit will have more far reaching consequences then any other outcome put forward, ending a democratic vote is a slippery slope, bringing further divide, most probably unrest on a scale yet to be witnessed in this country, careful what you wish for.
 
I would offer that ending Brexit will have more far reaching consequences then any other outcome put forward

Then I think we'll have to agree to disagree. The purple rinses and the neo nazis might riot if Brexit is cancelled but the economy will rebound if Brexit is thrown out and 50%+ of the country will breath a huge sigh of relief.

On the other hand if hard/bad brexit occurs the economy collapses, NOBODY gets what they wanted, the wealth divide will grow more rapidly and the far right will happily recruit impoverished low information brexiters who have been persuaded that "remainiac traitors" poisoned Brexit.
 
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