Suppose I felt aggrieved, ignored politically, and vengeful...
Yes, but these are exactly the sentiments many of us here set out in relation to those who voted leave in protest: it's a stupid thing to do, which will have a disastrous outcome for the country as a whole; how will it make things better for them; what is the sense in taking us out of the EU (which, among other things, requires social and employment protections for the weaker among us which the Tories could dismantle)?
Then expect to be called stupid by people who think this course of action is self destructive, it is now what matters, the past is the past, no changing it, surely those who profess higher intelligence to those who protest voted in the 2016 ref, should follow their own advice & vote for the betterment of the country.
Then expect to be called stupid by people who think this course of action is self destructive, it is now what matters, the past is the past, no changing it, surely those who profess higher intelligence to those who protest voted in the 2016 ref, should follow their own advice & vote for the betterment of the country.
No, but on what basis can we have any confidence it would be handled better by a party which has failed to effectively act as an opposition to arguably the most incompetent government in living memory?
OK, noted. Calling people stupid is now acceptable to you.
People voted in protest in 2016 as they felt it would be for the betterment of the country, call this stupid or not, it was not an intentional act of destruction against the country, even if it proves to be in the future for many who voted remain, voting in protest now, by those who claim to have superior intellect is stupid IMO. How can ensuring a Tory Brexit be sensible at this point, how else can I call it but stupid, it is a selfish act against a politician who could actually get this country back on level footing across the board, because he refuses to "end" Brexit, the knives come out, wake up call, no politician is going to end Brexit so why stick with this bunch in charge, havn't they caused enough damage.
Shouldn't've voted for it then...
What would you have the Labour party do at this stage, what would you do if in charge of the party.
Push hard and mobilise cross party support for a ratifying ref/peoples vote.
I wanted a Labour Brexit, it's old ground, not going over this all again, I felt Brexit would force a GE, it did, it ended Cameron's reign, unfortunately May has proved to be far worse, which is why i'm staggered at the idiocy shown here by supposedly intelligent people. Voting against Corbyn at this stage will guarantee another 5 years of Tory rule, could well be with a no deal Brexit, I cannot fathom the reasoning, that is unless, as I have stated before, Tory rule will affect very few at this level so keeping them in is an insignificance, IMO, intelligent folk voting now in protest against a man who could well heal some social division & create a fairer society, is far worse than anyone who voted out of sheer desperation in 2016, those who had been battered to a pulp by Cameron, this is a selfish, intentional act of sheer stupidity.
FIFY
I would have spent a large part of the last two years showing that I was an effective opposition, and could therefore be trusted to form an effective government. I would have looked at the marginal Tory seats I'd need to win over, to gain power at a GE, and I would have done as much as I could to draw the wavering Tory supporters to my side of the argument, whatever the argument might have been. I'd have spent the last two years showing occasional or reluctant Labour voters that they should throw their lot in with me, because they are the people I'd need to convince, if I were to win a GE.
People's vote on what? May's remain deal vs remain? No deal vs remain? at this point it's playing Russian roulette with the future of the country. More sensible IMO to get the deal voted down, then move on, it seems to be Corbyn's strategy, which is sensible I feel.
We cannot go over this again, surely, the protest vote had zero to do with lies or misinformation, the Farage & Boris followers vote against immigration & nonsense about the NHS, not the government, voting in protest now, with the future all too clear is a selfish act, not borne of desperation but of self delusion that someone, anyone is going to end Brexit.
