Tigerjones
Bagpuss
Where’s Noel Edmonds when you need him?
It would depend on if Corbyn or a coalition could negotiate a new deal, if they could, then put it to the public.
Parliament needed to force an election, not happened, now May is here for 12 months so basically we are stuck with a no deal Brexit under a Tory government as I cannot see any other option, she will not cancel Brexit, she will not offer a referendum, her deal will not get through, it's basic maths.I am confused as you keep saying very baffling things and telling people saying waht seem to be very reasonable things how they are wrong and don't understand anything. But let's assume that's just me being dim, and you just explain what you think should happen and what Labour should do now so we end up with something other than May's deal or No Deal in 3 months time.
The full quote was "People talking and listening to each other, not shouting and arguing on or offline, to find common ground. "I'm afraid this forum proves this tactic would never work, same pretty much everywhere else too, it's fairy land.
Less of a fantasy than May offering a referendum or cancelling Brexit.OK. That needs:
1 - Labour to win the election.
2 - Some means to persuade the EU to renegotiate the exit deal to achieve that.
Which are both fantasy.
This. Exactly.They can't negotiate a better deal. And have given every indication of being *exactly* as confused as May and the ERG with nonsense talk of unicorn deals.
Less of a fantasy than May offering a referendum or cancelling Brexit.
It sounds a great idea, what do you think.The full quote was "People talking and listening to each other, not shouting and arguing on or offline, to find common ground. "
Probably, as I said, no deal is coming, May has cocked it up.But all a pipedream, nonetheless.
I think it could work face to face. Or stands more chance of working face to face.It sounds a great idea, what do you think.
OkI think it could work face to face. Or stands more chance of working face to face.
I am beginning to believe this.She'll start believing she's unstoppable.
Probably, as I said, no deal is coming, May has cocked it up.
It is astonishing that the Tory's aren't being whipped. Even without Brexit, at this point in a Parliament the Opposition is meant to be doing better.
To throw another couple of poll of polls into the mix on a Remain or Leave referendum:
https://whatukthinks.org/eu/questions/if-a-second-eu-referendum-were-held-today-how-would-you-vote/
https://whatukthinks.org/eu/questio...ns-membership-of-the-eu-how-would-you-vote-2/
They don't seem to tell entirely the same story, possibly due to the number of polls being pooled differing. If anyone can explain the difference I'd be grateful.
The first is far from a slam dunk for Remain, though the second is more optimistic for Remain.
If I were Remain, the suspicion of shy Leavers among the Don't Know's would worry me. There's a handy remove the Don't Know buttons which helps a bit, but presumably this assumes Don't Knows either won't vote or will vote 50:50 for Leave:Remain.
There was a referendum in 2016, over half of the voting population voted to leave the EU. If the vote had been remain, which would have seen Cameron & Osborne carry on their punishing regime, I would have had to accept it.
We are definitely heading for a Tory landslide come the next election, intelligent folk acting like delusional twitter extremists.
No, they don't like being betrayed and hold a grudge about it.Yup. Basically, people don't give enough of a shit about the devastation caused by Tory/Lib-Dem austerity to get behind Labour.
Yup. Basically, people don't give enough of a shit about the devastation caused by Tory/Lib-Dem austerity to get behind Labour.
Labour don't have a plan.The Labour plan was to act after the meaningful vote, but May cancelled the meaningful vote.
Then the plan was to wait for May to come back from Brussels having failed to secure the changes needed to win the meaningful vote. Which is where we are now. But May will no doubt say tomorrow that she hasn't failed and needs more time and we have to wait till next year.
So Labour's problem is that they are facing a moving target. Let's see what they do tomorrow after May's statement. I suspect probably nothing.
Also bear in mind that if Labour do move a no confidence motion and fail then May becomes even more the (malfunctioning) terminator that can't be stopped. She'll start believing she's unstoppable.