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Good answer, thanks.
Independent Scotland (part II)
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Good answer, thanks.
gassor
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'Appen Dec lad tha would see nobbut, but them la de dah Southerners in that case.
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Sir, my pleasure.
Actually, something I got slightly wrong - not all of the UK/Eire common area is in the EU as the Channel Islands are in the CTA, but not in the EU.
I suppose this is similar to places like Monaco and Liechtenstein which are not in officially Schengen but have no border controls with Europe.
Funded by UK taxation. Scotland doesn't raise enough money to maintain funding at the same levels, so there will be cuts.
Salmond, the great left-wing man of the people, is also planning to cut corporation taxes, so lining the pockets of the rich.
You must be a part of the SNP.
Still
he said his naim was ralph
Try looking at it the other way around. The debt is both in and of sterling, but Westminster says an indy Scotiland can't have a share of the currency.
In a stroke Westminster has absolved Scotiland of its' share of the debt, because ownership of sterling equates with responsibility for the debt.
I don't see how Scotiland could fairly account for its' share of the debt without the associated stake in sterling.
I agree, and one of many reasons I've concluded Salmond and co. are vainglorious chancers.
Yes, because we are talking about government issued debt.
Mick P
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he said his naim was ralph
Hell of a time to come out as an it boi.
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Pretty much what I thought, also found that Scotland has 10% higher public service spending per head than the UK.
Just can't see how Salmond could finance the same services and I'm sure massive cuts would result in them losing loads of voters.
Postal vote posted.
(Mine own as well, didn't need to buy one off ebay. LOL. Those Drumchapel chaps exercising their belief in the free market for a bag of chips and all that)
I now get to sit back and watch the drama unfold as you all indybate yourselves into a frrrrenzy. Bub is typically playing his poker face, no one knows which way he will vote. Clever.
Chillax ladies it's only a referendum for which parliamentary cünt gets to shit down your throat. Poop is poop either way you smear it.
(Mine own as well, didn't need to buy one off ebay. LOL. Those Drumchapel chaps exercising their belief in the free market for a bag of chips and all that)
I now get to sit back and watch the drama unfold as you all indybate yourselves into a frrrrenzy. Bub is typically playing his poker face, no one knows which way he will vote. Clever.
Chillax ladies it's only a referendum for which parliamentary cünt gets to shit down your throat. Poop is poop either way you smear it.
KC Cantiaci
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The debt is UK debt, not the BoE's debt. The debt is in Sterling as that's the currency we use but countries can buy other countries debt via gilts and bonds etc. and get paid in the same currency although they may possibly take a hit or make additional profit via currency exchange rates. All that's happening is the UK has a debt pile and has to pay interest/repayment on this debt and as a matter of breaking up the union, it's fair for the separate parties to take a fair share of the accumulated debt that we all benefitted from.
gassor
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he said his naim was ralph
Yes, but they aren't debtors (like Scotland and England), they are a creditors.
It's fair if an independent Scotland gets a fair share of sterling the currency™, as well as the sterling national debt.
If Scotland gets cut out of UK£ that includes both the resource and debt.
It's a reverse can't have your cake and eat it.
KC Cantiaci
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The currency and who 'owns' it is a red herring. It's being used as a bargaining chip/threat by the SNP but isn't relevant to the actual matter in hand.
From this FactCheck article - http://blogs.channel4.com/factcheck/factcheck-can-scotland-avoid-paying-uk-debt/13362
This is the view set out in the Vienna Conventions on Succession of States, which the SNP has often referred to in the past.
The convention that relates to property and debt says: When part of the territory of a state is transferred by that state to another state, the passing of the state debt of the predecessor state to the successor state is to be settled by agreement between them.
In the absence of such an agreement, the state debt of the predecessor state shall pass to the successor State in an equitable proportion
The only way this would not apply is if Scotland was treated as a former colony rather than a partner state in the United Kingdom.
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Oh god nobody call it a colony or we'll have another fvking 'I hate the English' Mel Gibson film popping up.
I don't believe change or anything radical-in-a-good-way comes from politicians and politics in any climate. We pin too much faith/bile on personalities. Radicalism is about how elegantly you conduct your life in a way you want irrespective of external influence.
Politics is fairly modern concept and does not feel all that robust when under pressure, plus it seems to scale poorly; I don't think its out of pre release beta test stage really. There is a lot of commented out sections I don't like about it... Variables get lost, decision trees go nowhere and it suffers memory leakage.
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and thus copper wire was invented, two Scotsmen fighting over a two pence piece
Barrymagrec
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If you are a creationist it must be 6000 years, if not, rather longer.
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