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Who has heard the new Proac Tablette 10?

Discussion in 'audio' started by Jodet, Dec 1, 2016.

  1. Tony L

    Tony L Administrator

    Don't see why not. Sure, little speakers are inefficient, but no one sane would want to play them loud so it is seldom an issue. These are speakers for late-night near-field listening IMO. I happily drive my JR149s with a 10 Watt Leak Stereo 20 and I'd have thought that was about the same power envelope as a Nait 2, but only for up close and personal listening (which is where the mini-monitor magic is). The Nait loses it in the top when it is not happy, not the bottom, it just starts to sound a bit flat and grainy. I used one with Harbeth Compact 7ES is a rather large room for a while and it did struggle a bit.
     
  2. thebiglebowski

    thebiglebowski pfm Member

    The ProAc 1sc I had were about the only ported speaker I liked and were an absolute dream with the Sugden A21a so can't see why valves would have any issues into their 10ohm load.

    £999 for a speaker of this pedigree is a very good price.
     
  3. Tony L

    Tony L Administrator

    Yes, fan of the 1SC here too, a superb speaker. ProAc's high-water mark IMO, it will be interesting to see how these shape up. I guess being sealed they'll sacrifice a little scale for grip and tunefulness. I'd be happy with that trade. The 1SCs could sound massive and powerful on the end of a big amp (e.g. Krell) but they still had a few clues a port was involved.
     
  4. Cato

    Cato pfm Member

    Look good in the ebony finish
     
  5. Nick_G

    Nick_G pfm Member

    Oooh they are tempting. Well, at least they would be if I had the cash! But they would suit my listening set-up very well and are much more reasonably priced than the Falcon LS3/5a, for example. I bet they would sound good at the end of my JVC 1010 amp.

    I wonder how they would compare to the KEF LS50s?
     
  6. badger748

    badger748 pfm Member

    Any idea what stands they are on on the Proac web site????
     
  7. Tony L

    Tony L Administrator

    Target R4s. Truly superb stands IMO, backbreakingly heavy and they make just about anything else look flimsy by comparison! I have a pair under my JR149s. Sadly no longer made, but they do crop up second hand now and again. The Target R series were IIRC designed for the ProAc Response range.
     
  8. Cato

    Cato pfm Member

    Deco audio show the something solid stands with the tab 10s
     
  9. badger748

    badger748 pfm Member

    Cheers Tony :)
     
  10. hifienthusiast

    hifienthusiast Vintage by heart

    I am using Atacama R724 stands with LS3/5a and Response 1sc for the last 10 years. I do not know how the other stands sound. In Hong Kong Foundation stands are very popular with these speakers.
     
  11. Robert

    Robert Tapehead

    if you really want to scratch the LS3/5 itch then I think you have to land a pair.
    I found the JR149 to sound very different (better) to the old BBC design. The common driver choice isn't really apparent in the sound IMO.

    Never liked the 3/5a but my last real extended listen (several months) was over a decade ago to some well kept Spendors. I'm almost tempted to buy some Falcons in the new year out of curiosity as my tastes in loudspeakers have changed in recent years. Can always flip them for minimal loss if need be.

    The Proac wouldn't interest me unfortunately. Looks wrong. Looks like a budget speakers in a posh cabinet. Stand-off grilles always look like an afterthought IMO!
     
  12. Tony L

    Tony L Administrator

    I heard some Falcon LS3/5As at Cranage last year and they were just staggeringly good on classical. Sugden class A upstream and some fancy stand sub units, which I wasn't entirely convinced by. The thing that knocked me out was the string sound on some obscure Japanese SACD of Saint Saens Organ Concerto (2nd movement), just wonderful. May well be the best strings I've ever heard from a hi-fi system. Annoyingly I've had no luck tracking down the SACD, and I've now forgotten what it was! They later stuck a late period Donald Byrd soul-jazz CD on and that worked a lot less well for me, though I have a feeling it was the subs tripping up, not the LS3/5As.

    I have a feeling that I've dialed into the differences between the LS3/5A and 149, different positioning requirements aside. The former goes all out for mid-band tonality and has a truly beautiful, neutral and open mid, the 149 retains rather more dynamic punch and grip, goes deeper, but does so at the expense of the tiniest hint of B110 upper mid 'bite' (which you can largely tune out with a nice tube amp IME). The 149 is way, way closer to an LS3/5A than a Kan, but it is on that path. I have a feeling that if your musical taste is wide (as mine is) the 149 is the best of the three as it can do classical, jazz, rock, electronica, even reggae pretty damn well, wheras the 3/5A doesn't seem that great outside classical and acoustic music (where it is stunning), and the Kan needs to avoid all that and stick to rock, pop etc. The 149s can pull that Quad ESL imaging trick off too where they just seem to be in the room but have nothing to do with the music, you can look right at them and no music is coming from them, it is all above, below, behind, in front etc. I get the impression the 3/5As can too, but I've not had a pair at home to compare. I do think the 149 cab is special though and I'm amazed no one has copied it.
     
  13. Robert

    Robert Tapehead

    Yes I agree on the 149 being a bit more punchy, dynamic and with more bite. I found the 3/5a sounded squashed and sat-on, something I didn't detect on the 149.
    But they were old Spendors (albeit in good condition) and a modern build might work better. Might take a punt, not that I need any more speakers!

    The LS3/5 cabinet is interesting because to my mind it doesn't demonstrate BBC thin wall theory - because it's too small. The idea of a large, thin, damped panel works well because the panel resonance is below most of the critical vocal rage, and damped.
    But the LS3/5 panels are far smaller than the BBC models originally built to the damped thin wall spec. The panel resonate is therefore much higher than on say, a 3/6. Small 9mm birch ply panels, edge clamped as on the 3/5 are in fact pretty stiff!
     
  14. Tony L

    Tony L Administrator

    I have a feeling the key to the 3/5As cab is the screwed-on baffle, not the cabinet wall thickness. It will totally kill any tendency to ring like a bell, and it explains why LS3/5A geeks seem to prefer the prototypes which had a screwed-on back too. Also explains why Kan cabs ring a bit and 3/5 cabs don't. Fully glued cabs are just square bongos really!

    PS You need to pop up sometime, I think you would love the 149s fully rebuilt with new drivers and fresh crossover caps. They are a special little speaker.
     
  15. Jodet

    Jodet pfm Member

    I own LS-50's and Proac 148's. If I had to guess I'd say the KEF's will be more dynamic, have more bass and play louder. The Proac's will image better and have a sweeter midrange and be smoother on top.

    That's just a guess, of course.
     
  16. TimF

    TimF pfm Member

    Bryston has been carrying a Target line now for awhile, with several series, one of which is the MR series. It is a "new" R4 for the most part, FWIW. No idea on costs etc.....

    The latest Tablette does look quite nice!
     
  17. Tony L

    Tony L Administrator

    Just had a google and they certainly look like the R series relaunched. Great to see as I've yet to find a better stand for a ProAc, LS3/5A type speaker.

    They won't be cheap though, my first pair of R4s bought new back in the late '90s to go under a pair of birds-eye maple Tablette 50 Sigs were about £350 IIRC. Always kicked myself for letting them go as a really good pair of stands is a useful thing to have knocking around if like me you are partial to mini-monitors. The Tabs were nice too, but just hated one room after a house move so had to go. I eventually found a second hand pair of R4s that, amazingly, the eBay seller was prepared to ship (they have their cartons, but they are over 20Kg each!). The 149s aren't a perfect fit on the top plate being cylindrical, but they look ok and sound great.
     
  18. eastone

    eastone pfm Member

    anyone have an idea of the frequency response of these?
     
  19. davidavdavid

    davidavdavid EARWAG

    Just wanted to get back to you all, I was reading an interesting article by Paul Barton of PSB Speakers (Canada) about designing speakers for different markets, in particular the difference between the UK and North America given the different construction and size of homes.

    He echoed some of the comments made in this thread regarding the predilection in the UK for sealed box speakers and standmounts. I will try to find the article and post it, or failing that contact PSB directly for a reprint.
     
  20. Ptah

    Ptah pfm Member

    The Music Room write up says the 10s are optimised for use against a wall rather than free-standing, which puts them more in Kan than LS3/5a territory (as far as I remember the Kan originally used LS3 cabinets). Mr Tyler usually has a Nait XS at shows so Bristol in Feb should be fun!
     

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