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Which speakers are the brightest?

Discussion in 'audio' started by Minio, Feb 14, 2017.

  1. Minio

    Minio pfm Member

    It's often a complaint about loudspeakers that this brand or that model is too bright.

    I haven't found any that I have found to be unacceptably bright (maybe it's my hearing) so I'm interested in the opinions of pfmers on this matter.

    I'd like to go and listen to some "bright" speakers to get some perspective.
  2. steveledzep

    steveledzep pfm Member

    Metal dome tweeters imo.
  3. thebiglebowski

    thebiglebowski pfm Member

    Klipsch Heresy
  4. Purité Audio

    Purité Audio Trade: Purite Audio

    You would need to look at their frequency response, I am led to understand that there is a fashion for the 'smile' FR with uptilted treble, Stereophile usually publish a measurement suite alongside their subjective reviews.
  5. fay spook

    fay spook pfm Member

    Did you ever hear the SL6s?
  6. steveledzep

    steveledzep pfm Member

    Don't recall that pleasure. Celestions ? Remember Ditton 44s with a fondness.
  7. S-Man

    S-Man Kinkless Tetrode Admirer

    Heard some Cabasse Karissimas at a hifi show once, it was worse than this:

  8. guey

    guey pfm Member

    Having DJed at The Merchants Tavern last weekend, where they now have those installed, I can see where you're coming from. Nice at lower volumes, crank them up, and they get a bit harsh.
  9. Minio

    Minio pfm Member

    I quite like them. Where can I get some?
  10. colasblue

    colasblue pfm Member

    Everything Usher make!
  11. Yank

    Yank Bulbous Also Tapered

  12. JohnW

    JohnW Trade: Lakewest

    German speakers tend to be very bright - thinking Canton and the such...
  13. Tony L

    Tony L Administrator

    I'm often guilty of making this accusation so I guess I should comment...

    My mental image of a flat natural and neutral balance is something like a Quad ESL (either 57 or 63), a BBC speaker like a Spendor BC1, Rogers 3/6 etc, a well setup pair of vintage Tannoys etc. These can sound like a very good pair of headphones to me, e.g. not that different balance-wise from my Sennheiser HD-600s. To my ears/preferences a whole world apart from many modern metal dome-tweetered small bass-mid stand-mounts, slim floor standers or whatever. I really struggle to think of any speakers with metal dome tweeters I like to be honest. The notable exception being Yamaha NS1000, but even then I'd turn them down a bit with the L-pad! In some ways I'm being unfair as so often the people deming such kit are doing so at levels I don't consider small-driver compact speakers can reach without my hearing very obvious distortion. I'm of the mindset that if you want over 90db peak levels you need a bloody big speaker with a 12" or 15" bass driver, otherwise the top and mid start to get louder than the bass.

    To put it another way to my mind most rhythm-bassed music, be it rock, pop, jazz or whatever should mainly be pushed along by the bass and kick-drum, if the balance becomes so tilted, as to my ears it often does, that it ends up being dragged along by the hi-hats or cymbals something has gone very wrong with the system balance.

    I think this is an inadvertent yet inevitable byproduct of the whole subjectivist sales process that came along with Linn/Naim etc in the late '70s. People comparing a whole string of A vs B dems often tend to go for the one they suspect has more "detail" (brightness) and the "fastest tightest most 'tuneful' bass" (leanness, dryness, less real bass, more mid-bass) and do so recursively over a period of years and years end up in an 'reductio ad absurdum' cul-de-sac of wrongness. I remain a big fan of the early 'flat-earth' kit; the LP12 when it had a nice warm spring in its step, chrome bumper Naim amps and Linn speakers back when they were big, warm, fun and bouncy. It all started out right, but over the years I noticed everything becoming thinner, more bleached, more forward, drier and just wrong to my ears. I jumped ship and went back to what for me is a far more natural and more real tonality and presentation. I'm currently pretty much in a 60s-70s recording studio scenario, and that is the right place for me, though I'd be just as happy with Quads.

    PS Given I own the site I'm very reluctant to name the stuff I really don't like, there is a fair bit of it but I've never wanted to be a reviewer and as a publisher it probably isn't professional to dig myself in too far! As such I have neutered this somewhat!
  14. abbydog

    abbydog pfm Member

    I find diamond tweeter B&Ws unacceptably bright - and was daft enough to buy a pair once.
  15. drummerman

    drummerman pfm Member

    Not English Speakers if John Bercow is anything to go by despite good intentions ...

    Mind, older age helps but I still seem to hear Nicola Sturgeon which is really irritating.
  16. Ragaman

    Ragaman pfm Member

    My Mordaunt short MS10i classic's sound very sweet & detailed, not harsh in the slightest, heard many a pair with soft domes that make your teeth stand on edge at high volume.
  17. Minio

    Minio pfm Member

    I'm not sure if being bright is a bad thing for everyone considering that personal hearing chacteristics vary among people of different ages, for example.

    I listen to Neat Momentums which have metal domes and I think that is their best component in all honesty. I like the detail and air I'm hearing with those.

    Conversely speakers with ribbon or soft domes can sound a bit dull and messy sometimes.

    I've heard some Neat XSs (like the Momentums but with different/duller tweeter) and found them rather boring by comparison.
  18. ThELiZ

    ThELiZ pfm Member

    So interesting how people hear things differently. I had a pair of tiny dancers and didn't find them bright at all. I hate bright speakers. I was very fond of them and only got rid of them as they were too big and bassy for my room.
  19. Del monaco

    Del monaco pfm Member

    I heard a pair on the end of Krell. I thought they were well balanced.Detailed but not overly bright.
  20. Jonathan

    Jonathan pfm Member

    linn saras in some systems can be like cheese graters for the ear canal...

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