Retro amplification required
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DSJR
Between us and them
Silly pictures? My dear chap, it's positively turntable porn, so it is.
I WANT MORE!!!!! This is even before MY era
Is that the infamous Gray arm above? It certainly looks like it.......
Hi Tony the a21 sounds great with klipsch , but i suspect it will be better with a low powered valve amp........... i have a kerr/mcgosh valve amp being rebuilt at the moment im hoping that will be good for the klipschs.... i only use the a21 phono stage for 78s so its hard to tell . i run a graham slee reflex phono stage into the sugden .............DSJR thanks heres a picture of my most modern deck
the arm you see is a Calrad sv12 made in the 60s in japan its a OEM clone of the Grace and others more info can be had here
http://members.myactv.net/~je205d/mono.htm.
the deck is a pierre clement from the 50s 4 speed idler drive , the platter only measures 11" as it was made early fifties and well most records were 10" ........make sense i suppose
the arm you see is a Calrad sv12 made in the 60s in japan its a OEM clone of the Grace and others more info can be had here
http://members.myactv.net/~je205d/mono.htm.
the deck is a pierre clement from the 50s 4 speed idler drive , the platter only measures 11" as it was made early fifties and well most records were 10" ........make sense i suppose
PeeWeeKiwi
pfm Member
My E203 has been away at the authorised repair venue here for 10 weeks. It is an end-to end recap of anything in the signal path plus the power supply, and one blown Sanken output module.
Was in very bad nick internally as another tech had screwed around with the bias and added some shunt capacitance to stop it going into self oscillation at LF. Something Sanken modules are notorious for, especially up around 10MHz.
All better now.
Design wise , it is a work of art, ans seems to have lots of individually regulated stages.I'll research it more when I get the diagrams back.
The UK market was quite big back then and it seemed amazing that all of a sudden the far eastern amps took a nosedive in quality after 1975.
It could be that far eastern makers like Sony had HUGE ranges and that the UK importers just took cheaper models as "replacements" for the rather excellent earlier models. The Sony TA-5650 and 8650 were superb V-FET amps with a lovely sense of depth and space and a little "loose" in bass and treble regions - something most far eastern amps couldn't reproduce at all. The UK replacements weren't anywhere near as good, although it seems the V-FET idea continued with improvements in the US for some years...
Looking at other posts, I'd confirm the Rogers A100 was a FAR better amp than the Panthera A75 IMO and the T100 tuner is/was a forgotten gem of a tuner.
We took on Sugden at the end of the A21 and C51/p??? pre and power era, all of which had a fresher sound than the A48, which is definately warm toned.
All IMO of course
Just 'cos I like the Nait (almost as much as a Rogers Cadet III valve amp) doesn't mean I'm still a Naim-head (how dare you suggest such a thing!
The Panthera I belive was a slightly updated ravensbrook.
The T75 mkII and A100 were better amps...
I currently own an A100, T100, T75II and MCP100 and can certainly say the A100 is a nice sounding amp. And yes the T100 is stunning (the T75II is good as well with a good antenna).
However, you will likely not find a T100 I think there were very few made and it took me 4 years to find one. Not seen another since. Think mine was number 200 ish and they didn't make them for long before Rogers stopped electronics to just concentrate on speakers.
Funny thing about my A100's my original A100 (got from my stepdad) was number 3086 It had the nice pale green circuit boards throughout. My 2nd A100 got from a friend in a swap which he got direct from the factory via someone he knew and is number 31xx (or there abouts) had all circuit boards the same except the board running from rear inputs to the front and had the phono stage on it. It was red in colour... None of my other rogers kit had a circuit board like this so I am not sure if it is a parts bin special or actually somthing out of the ordinary. Never got a chance to compare as first one died. I got it repaired and sold it on as the 2nd one was in a tiny bit better condition.
I also think a sugden A21 is really nice (if your speakers are sensitive enough). My last thought for a really sweet sounding amp is an MF A1. Also class A, runs very hot but can sometimes be a little less reliable though they do sound very nice..
Kind Regards
John
ff1d1l
pfm Member
If you can find one, try a Tandberg 2075 reciever...have one which has had some caps replaced and its an absolute gem....very musical, huge sound stage and pulls in loads of Irish FM stations (am in North Wales) with a piece of wire as an ariel (I believe some say the Mk2 is even better). AND would look great alongside a lenco - styling is mucho sympatico. Oh and has a good phono stage, or two....
I got turned onto Yamaha when I rediscovered a humble CR400 receiver under the stair when my main amp developed problems.
It has all the qualities I need - mainly one of pure enjoyment - especially for vinyl. I since bought a CA600 amp & it sings with the same voice but has a bit more power - totally unnecessary as it turned out, if you are in a relatively small room with fair efficient speakers. Advantages with CA amps is that they have 2 phono inputs so you can A-B decks. I have my 2 decks plugged in but it is rare that I need that. So if you haven't bought something or want to try keep your eyes peeled for the CR 400 or CA400 - both go for bargain prices as the bigger amps can fetch high prices.
The other amp I can recommend for vinyl is a simple Arcam Alpha 5
jimb0
Jelly Roll Soul
I did actually pick up a Yammy CR-620 and much as I love the styling it really was quite poor sound wise - it actually got an unsolicited thumbs down from Mrs Jimb0 who loves music but couldn't give a fig for hifi nerdery. To be generous it may be down to the receiver's age - maybe a recap would wake it up.
I'm surprised on comments of the 620
The main area where I rate the Yammies & notice differences to other amps (and in fairness it does take a bit of adjustment) are in their ability to tackle cymbals - there's a musical "ting" in there I don't find in other amps. When I listen to trad jazz & 60's 70's music on vinyl is where I find they surpass. Other aspects are more natural speech & sibillance.
If it was an 820 or 1020 I'd be inclined to make you an offer.
337alant
Negatively Biased
Thanks John, look forward to hearing it, should look nice with my old A100,
http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh290/337alant/audio029.jpg
I note that the knobs on your A100 are different to mine, do you know anywhere that I can buy them?
Now I want a pair of Rogers LS3/5A speakers
anubisgrau
pfm Member
i've recently bought old (circa '82) marantz esotec PM-5. it's a bit beefier and more elaborated variation of PM-4 which used to be a big hype back in the days. i'm really surprised with the sound 30 years on and without some big interventions (only recapped). very sweet and involving yet powerful enough for good grip & control. totally competitive with anything contemporary in 1.5-2k range.
20w in pure class A or 80w in AB (still sounding good). a decent phono stage too. you just need a bit of luck and some 400-500 pounds to get a good piece.
20w in pure class A or 80w in AB (still sounding good). a decent phono stage too. you just need a bit of luck and some 400-500 pounds to get a good piece.