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Moving from Naim

Discussion in 'audio' started by Octave Doctor, Feb 6, 2017.

  1. Tim Jones

    Tim Jones pfm Member

    As someone who has read (and perhaps even started...) many 'moving on from Naim' threads, I had a system broadly comparable to yours nine years ago.

    I will quietly suggest that you might not know what you had until it's gone. I'd also suggest more specifically that the CDS3/555PS is an absolutely stonking source, and that's the bit I missed most of all.

    Would also echo Disbeliever's point on the Supernait2. As a fit and forget solution it's a no brainer, especially if you need power.
  2. JezmondTutu

    JezmondTutu Expert on very little

    I'd try listening to a few different systems including one based around studio monitors. See if you can demo a valve based system and maybe something like the Kii Three's.
  3. winchman

    winchman pfm Member

    If you have had it for 25 years why change?
    I haven't changed my stuff since 1987, ok since the kids came I haven't had any spare money but I am happy with what I have.
    If you take your old system lets say its worth £100 and spend another £80 will it be £80 better or just different?
  4. Knipester

    Knipester pfm Member

    still have my sia-025 and have no plans to change for the foreseeable future
  5. JezmondTutu

    JezmondTutu Expert on very little

    Some people like changing things - wives, cars, houses, sexual orientation. Others not!

    If you do just fancy different presentation, you could always switch speakers, get something supplement musical like Arcs.
  6. monty

    monty pfm Member

    I'll deffo demo that when I'm ready to upgrade. Need to wait a year as the Mrs wants a kitchen first. Only thing I'd worry about is power rating, although reviews say to ignore it
  7. adamk

    adamk pfm Member

    I was in a similar position this time last year, 20 years of Naim ownership- CDS3, 252, 300.
    During the golden age of the WigWam I heard many fine systems, but none that ever made me question my continued Naim ownership, but there was always that nagging doubt that there must be something else.

    Fast forward to now and the Naim is gone and replaced by a Devialet Expert 400. I was not bowled over by a 200 (previous version to the 220 you have heard), the magic only happened by doubling them up into mono block version. I think there is plenty of similarity between the Devialet and Naim house sound - YMMV.
    My advice would therefore be to hear a 440 set up.
  8. Stemcor

    Stemcor I should be listening to music

    My Naim peaked at CDS/52/250 and SBLs. Sold the lot to buy some wonderful guitars then sold those and started back on the Naim treadmill. Now using Teddy Pardo amps with NVA speakers. I changed simply because I found something I liked more than Naim (which I never thought would happen).

    If you want to buy new then Teddy and NVA both offer sale or return so at least you get to try in your own home. The speakers need a bit of setting up (nothing new there) and they seem "odd" at first due to the upward firing bass driver. Once you get them in focus you are rewarded with music my Naims only hinted at. These are 2 superb manufacturers who offer some excellent value for money. They have also pretty much killed the upgrade bug.

    Well worth considering.
  9. yuckyamson

    yuckyamson pfm Member

    I understand, on a deeply personal and emotional level, the "I have to get off naim" thing. I get it, it's like a phase, a right of passage, for some a new era in their lives.

    That being said, there is never any reason to own a Bryston.
  10. awkwardbydesign

    awkwardbydesign Officially Awesome

    20 year guarantee. :)
  11. Ragaman

    Ragaman pfm Member

    Have you given Rega a try, has plenty of soul.
  12. adamk

    adamk pfm Member

    Good shout.
    I had a listen to an Osiris - very good but not up to 252/300 level to my ears.
    We all hear it different - use the search facility and theres someone replacing a 552 fronted system with an Osiris.
  13. beammeup

    beammeup pfm Member

    I'm doing the opposite by moving to naim for the first ever time, buying an 80's NAC 42 / NAP 140
  14. ryder

    ryder pfm Member

    I haven't read all responses here. You may consider getting a non-Naim integrated if you want to have a different listening experience. In that way you don't need to sell your Naim gear. It wouldn't be too much of a hassle to switch between amplifiers if it's a one-box integrated. Another alternative is a different bookshelf speaker where you can always swap in and out whenever you crave for a different sound.
  15. jy3

    jy3 pfm Member

    I was a Naim user for 20 years, ending with 52/supercap/135's into Obelisks but have now moved on to NVA amps with their Cube speakers. I can only say the music just flows and and cannot see me ever changing. If you must spend mega bucks, Vitus and VTL would be my recommendations for amps, but why?
  16. ryder

    ryder pfm Member

    Which NVA amp do you own? I have owned the NVA AP70 integrated for a very brief period and it was very nice. It was better than my separates costing three times more as it better matched my Harbeth speakers at that time. And the interesting part is the Nait XS replaced the NVA AP70 in the same system.

    The choice is very much dependent on system matching and musical preference. I note that the Naims and NVA amps were used on different speakers in your system which had evolved through time.
  17. ryder

    ryder pfm Member

    Time really flies. I have been using Naim for 9 years now and it didn't feel like I have had them for that long. Most amps usuallly do not last more than 5 years in my system. I can still recall the day I got the Harbeth SHL5s (about 8 years ago) as I did some crazy amp swapping at that time to make the speakers work. I tried not less than half a dozen amps with the Harbeth in the first two years and that was when I discovered Naim. From Nait XS to the NAC 202 / NAP 200 and now the NAC 282, Hicap DR and NAP 250 DR driving the latest Harbeth SHL5 Plus. I suspect this system may very well outlive me. I still have the NAC 202 and NAP 200 in a second system. Somehow I cannot seem to let them go, not just yet.
  18. jy3

    jy3 pfm Member

    I am using NVA P50 pre and A60 power amp into Cube 3's. I never tried these amps into the Obelisks or the Naim amps into the Cubes. With the NVA system I just listen to the music and can do so for longer, with the Naim system although enjoyable I now realise it was a short term hit.
  19. Bas V

    Bas V pfm Member

    My two cents would be the JOB PRE2 & 225 or maybe even the Integrated. These amps are amazing, regardless their (low) price.
  20. Konteebos

    Konteebos Post Ironic

    Just to provide some balance on the NVA vs NAIM posts - I replaced my NVA P50sa pre and A60 combination with a NAIM SuperNAIT and found it to be better in every way. That was driving Linn Ninkas so maybe they weren't a great match for the NVA...

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