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MDAC First Listen (part 00111000)

Discussion in 'audio' started by PhilCTTE, Jun 20, 2017.

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  1. mattgbell

    mattgbell lycaon pictus

    Currently running a free trial. I wasn't hoping for much, and it hasn't delivered. Basically browsing classical music using Roon's metadata is impossible, because there's no consistency in how the fields are used (who counts as an 'artist'?) or how the metadata is entered (e.g. spelling).

    The problem gets worse when you try to integrate your local library with a streaming service, because your own library may be beautifully organized, with all the fields used consistently and all the spelling normalized (Rachmaninov or Rachmaninoff?), but Tidal's metadata is all over the place. So your browsing menus get populated with all sorts of stuff you don't want there and stuff that's been inaccurately entered.

    Classical music metadata is far more complex than for pop/rock/jazz etc, for a number of reasons that I won't bore people with. There is really only one way to deal with classical music metadata, and that's to edit it yourself according to your own (hopefully rational) system.
  2. Rune

    Rune pfm Member

    It is only nice to have a UI indicator for SBT or Roon but not necessary.
    You only need to be able to select the streamer as a source then it will play whatever is send to ALSA output be it Volumios MPD, squeezelite, RoonBridge etc.

    Yes it will be possible to make better integration to the UI but not essential. Roon have released a API so the community can make their own integrations. I have just ordered a 7" touch screen for my RPI (the official crap one) to try it out.
  3. iansr

    iansr pfm Member

    "Upsample to DSD512 " does mean it can convert PCM to DSD? If so, I'd be interested to hear from John whether he thinks that it would be worth doing when playing via the MDAC2. ( I suspect John will say no, its DSD played natively that brings benefits, but maybe I'll be surprised. John?)
  4. Rune

    Rune pfm Member

    Yes it can convert PCM to DSD and even upsample DSD64 to DSD512 and apply DSP functions as well if you want.
    I also upsamples mp3 raidio streams to DSD if that is what you want :D

    I am also a bit sceptical about the benefits of upsampling, but there is lots of people that claims it makes a difference with their DAC so I will not rule it out.
  5. taccoguy

    taccoguy Active Member

    Now the MDac is totally broke,Distortion from both Channels, Switching Noise.....Now that Project Dac would be nice,Alternative ???
  6. adamdea

    adamdea pfm Member

    I have been arguing for years that we need a European Metadata Regulation enforcing, on pain of savage penalities, the consistent use of composer, conductor, band, identified individual artists (with discipline separately recorded in a sub-field ), choir(s), work, location, recording date, recording release, original label, re-release label. And of course spelling.
    I imagine that it probably would have run into immediate and intractable disputes between the English, French and Germans over Handel.
  7. JohnW

    JohnW Trade: Lakewest

    I cannot say when I can get you a Pro-ject DAC - but I can repair your MDAC for you.
  8. fred sonnen

    fred sonnen pfm Member

    Please: Händel
    He is still a German composer
  9. mattgbell

    mattgbell lycaon pictus

    Bloody immigrants, coming over here composing our music!
  10. Rodney gold

    Rodney gold Im just me...

    You have the choice in roon to use either their metadata or your own carefully manicured tagging
    With roon and tidal , I have not bought any new music for almost 2 years.. I used to buy at least 50 quid a month.. roon and tidal are less than 1/2 that..
    SQ is superb and their DSP engine is amazing .. you even get a convolution engine for complex time and freq correction
    I bought a lifetime roon membership at $300 on a "special" , worth every cent and it was mickey mouse money compared to my system cost
    FWIW I thought the M-dac was a very fine dac .. until mine broke
    Nowdays , for me , with devialets .. a stand alone dac is moot
  11. Richard Kimber

    Richard Kimber pfm Member

    Or do as I do and ignore metadata altogether and simply browse by directory/folder. The Volumio app allows this, I think.
  12. misterdog

    misterdog Not the canine kind

    Sometimes you need to know who wrote the sleeve notes, and took the photograph on the album sleeve.

    Though personally I am more interested in listening to the music.
  13. GWM

    GWM Lost in the 70's

    John is it going to be possible to load something like iTunes onto the CM3 and use off board storage to run without a PC.
  14. Rune

    Rune pfm Member

    It seem to be possible to run a itunes server on a RPI https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=49928

    But this does not mean it is a good idea and you would most likely have to install it yourself if that is possible.

    Why not use Volumio to manage your music if you don't want to use a PC as your server?
  15. GWM

    GWM Lost in the 70's

    Well I have a pile of music all ready in iTunes format how can I use voluminous to access it.
  16. JohnW

    JohnW Trade: Lakewest

    Via airplay - but we can work something out for you.
  17. lapkwan

    lapkwan pfm Member

    It's already 2017, shouldn't it be high time for some delivery for what we've paid? Frankly I don't enjoy the discussion here, which are invariably too technical to me. Are those guys just pay for being able to discuss here, but not for a product, which is within rational anticipation within a reasonable length of time?
  18. JohnW

    JohnW Trade: Lakewest

    First production will start within a couple of weeks of the P&P machine being installed - with the PnP Machine expected delivery date in September.
  19. adamdea

    adamdea pfm Member

    Exactly. Better listen to some proper English music like Elgar or Holst.
  20. adamdea

    adamdea pfm Member

    Are you crazy? If you take your speakers out of the polythene covers they get dusty.
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