I had ES14's a long while back with an LP12 and 42/110. I really can't remember them at all now. Did I let something great go? The only speakers I remember were Kans (sorry) and the Gales with the metal grille. Used a modded Claymore with them. They were as sweet as anything and I'd have them back tomorrow if I could.
Epos ES14 (MK1) equal or better out there?
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Robert
Tapehead
1000RPM
pfm Member
I tried ProAc D2s and Revel M22s when I was looking to replace my ES14s.
The M22s, rear ported like the ES14s are a bit more refinded across the mid and hi, which for me robbed them of a bit of character when heard against the ES14s. The M22 does do great bass (the one area of mild frustration with ES14s). The D2s offer a similarly higher level of refinement and a very articulate (but not sharp) top end. Front ported of course, so a bit more foward in the bass dept.
I could have lived with either, but then either are price at 2k new, so I stuck with my ES14s. As soon as I plugged 'em back in, I knew I'd made the right decision
should my ES14s go belly up, I'll just buy another pair of ES14s.
The M22s, rear ported like the ES14s are a bit more refinded across the mid and hi, which for me robbed them of a bit of character when heard against the ES14s. The M22 does do great bass (the one area of mild frustration with ES14s). The D2s offer a similarly higher level of refinement and a very articulate (but not sharp) top end. Front ported of course, so a bit more foward in the bass dept.
I could have lived with either, but then either are price at 2k new, so I stuck with my ES14s. As soon as I plugged 'em back in, I knew I'd made the right decision
should my ES14s go belly up, I'll just buy another pair of ES14s.
david ellwood
Kirabosi Kognoscente
I had es14s with a 42.5/110 and a roksan xerxes it represented the best imaging and clearest hifi I have ever owned.
I can hear little merit in 80 percent of the speakers linn have ever produced.
I love kabers kans and isobariks.
I got rid of the es14s because I got a handle on what they don't do.
( tunes,rhythm,bass)
If you can live with these compromises (or don't hear them) they are phenomenal in other areas.
I can hear little merit in 80 percent of the speakers linn have ever produced.
I love kabers kans and isobariks.
I got rid of the es14s because I got a handle on what they don't do.
( tunes,rhythm,bass)
If you can live with these compromises (or don't hear them) they are phenomenal in other areas.
graeme h
pfm Member
The 110 might have been the weak link there in terms of tunes,rhythm,bass. With a 300 they sing their hearts out!
sq225917
Bit of this, bit of that
delab, Totem are just introducing a new range of speaker, in house mid-band drivers built on an alloy plate, run wide open with only a capacitor on the tweeter, similar design ideals and implementation to the ES14's- they aren't cheap.
Totem 'fire' speaker.
The best 2 ways I've heard lately are those German jobs with the ribbon tweeter, Quadrals, not their av stuff.
Totem 'fire' speaker.
The best 2 ways I've heard lately are those German jobs with the ribbon tweeter, Quadrals, not their av stuff.
david ellwood
Kirabosi Kognoscente
"The 110 might have been the weak link there in terms of tunes,rhythm,bass. With a 300 they sing their hearts out!"
If I could go back in time and change Only one part of the system I'd have put a 52 in.
If I could go back in time and change Only one part of the system I'd have put a 52 in.
graeme h
pfm Member
Originally I used Mk 2 'biwire' versions in an olive 250/52 set-up and it had some of the characteristics you describe David. On the whole good but not as nicely refined as the Mk1 252/300 combination, a bit strident in places and sometimes 'one-note' in the bass. I keep expecting something musically to trip them up but nothing yet........and I have a wide taste. G
graeme h
pfm Member
Thanks - The Totem Element 'Fire' certainly look very nice. Similar proportions too. G
darrylfunk
Banned
are you talking about the darius?
graeme h
pfm Member
YNWOAN
100% Analogue
The mid/bass driver in the Totem looks interesting:
The Totem's do read very like a modern re-make of the ES14; to achieve the desired results you really need to custom design the drive units as Totem have done.
(I'm not sure why the Totem uses two capacitors to the tweeter - perhpas just to get the right value?)
The Totem's do read very like a modern re-make of the ES14; to achieve the desired results you really need to custom design the drive units as Totem have done.
(I'm not sure why the Totem uses two capacitors to the tweeter - perhpas just to get the right value?)
graeme h
pfm Member
The mid/bass driver in the Totem looks interesting:
The Totem's do read very like a modern re-make of the ES14; to achieve the desired results you really need to custom design. the drive units as Totem have done.
Nice. I guess circa £4k is what you would pay nowadays for a Bespoke design like the 14. Looks like they will be with me for a while! Lets hope they hold out. G
david ellwood
Kirabosi Kognoscente
a bit like these scan speaks?
YNWOAN
100% Analogue
Not really - quite dissimilar (although the Scan-Speak also looks interesting) - it's not been custom designed to mechanicaly X-over to a specific tweeter though, without the need for a X-over.
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Yes, unfortunately that is the case. Even many high-end speakers use what are effectively 'off the shelf' drive units (good quality ones), married together with a X-over (passive or active).
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Yes, unfortunately that is the case. Even many high-end speakers use what are effectively 'off the shelf' drive units (good quality ones), married together with a X-over (passive or active).