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Elsdon Wonfor Audio LS-25 speaker cables

Discussion in 'audio' started by Cereal Killer, Jun 28, 2017.

  1. Cereal Killer

    Cereal Killer fourhundredandthirtytwo

    I agree! the differences are subtle but none-the-less advantageous.
     
  2. YNWOAN

    YNWOAN 100% Analogue

    It's not that I don't believe in cable differences, I do - but I've never heard any evidence to support the belief that cables burn in. None of the many ones I have tried have altered at all with the passing of time.
     
  3. Cereal Killer

    Cereal Killer fourhundredandthirtytwo

    Yes I'm with you on that one and I think no one can claim a measured difference either. But from my experiences with 3 new sets I had here, being VOVOX, HiDiamond & EWA all changed over the first week.

    VOVOX (being a pro cable manufacturer too) state their cables change in the first 20 hours and will subtly change thereafter for a longer period.
     
  4. Cereal Killer

    Cereal Killer fourhundredandthirtytwo

    http://www.vovox.ch/en/home-audio-hifi/faq/ extracted below:

    In general: yes. However, the necessary run-in time is quite variable for the different cable types.

    Upon our point of view, the reason for this run-in effect is still unclear and not understood. Nevertheless, after some time of use we detect clear changes in sound quality, such as:
    •better spatial resolution, especially for instruments and voices in the center
    •perfect sound balance
    •more naturalness
    •more even sound pattern

    break-in times:
    •vocalis: long break-in time (min. 20 hours), great effect
    •textura / textura fortis: these sound conductors are pretreated in a specific process before they leave our factory, but allow 1 hour of „warming up“ for perfect sound. Moreover, the result further improves during the first 100 - 200 hours of use.
     
  5. YNWOAN

    YNWOAN 100% Analogue

    I'm really not convinced.
     
  6. Yomanze

    Yomanze pfm Member

    Me neither, but I have slowly adjusted to the new balance over time...
     
  7. Dark Energy

    Dark Energy pfm Member

    Re cable burn in, it's actually the dielectric that "burns in" or reaches optimum charge or whatever it is that's going on. PTFE (Teflon) demonstrates this phenomena most readily, to the point that if you leave a cable unused you need to burn it in again, same with Teflon capacitors. Same for other dielectrics just more noticeable with Teflon. If you use cables with PVC dielectrics all bets are off! Have you wondered why there are no PVC capacitors?

    While the vast majority of the cables out there are much of a muchness, there are some that offer huge performance upgrades, problem is finding them! In the 90s I remember doing some comparisons with a bunch of the best interconnects of the era, not much to choose between most of them (and I think this explains why people claim not to hear much in the way of meaningful differences) However there was one design that sounded so good that it sounded like an expensive amplifier upgrade, really jaw dropping and impossible to miss. There was another that was new to the market, with radical technology while receiving really very good reviews, but I, and everyone else who heard the comparison between these two cables hated it!
    What I found most interesting was that these comparisons were carried out with Audio Research, Krell and Mark Levinson Amplifiers. When this remarkable cable was used with a Naim NAC52 NAP135s Amplifiers the performance advantage just evaporated. I'll let you ponder why that might be. ;)
     
  8. Cereal Killer

    Cereal Killer fourhundredandthirtytwo

    That could explain it then, apparently every strand of whatever is inside the LS-25 has a its own coating of 'something' which has to be removed before soldering (Mark mentioned this in discussion) This is why its only available terminated, it needs burning off carefully with controlled heat and is time consuming.
     
  9. YNWOAN

    YNWOAN 100% Analogue

    The idea that the dialectic alters is a novel concept but there is absolutely no evidence to support it outside of creative hypothesis.
     
  10. Cereal Killer

    Cereal Killer fourhundredandthirtytwo

    Same goes for skin effect IIRC.
     
  11. thebiglebowski

    thebiglebowski pfm Member

    Skin effect is well understood but not an issue as it does not occur at the low freqs used in hifi.

    IMHO burn in does not exist, what does happen is that over a period of time your hearing/brain is adjusting to this new presentation.
     
  12. Cereal Killer

    Cereal Killer fourhundredandthirtytwo

    I disagree.

    Have look at these links Colin posted on the TQB thread a while back when we were discussing his design/s http://www.pinkfishmedia.net/forum/showpost.php?p=3108936&postcount=326
     
  13. Cereal Killer

    Cereal Killer fourhundredandthirtytwo

    Has anyone else on PFM got these in there system/s yet?
     
  14. YNWOAN

    YNWOAN 100% Analogue

    Yup, none of those links appear to contradict the idea that skin effect is not relevant at audio frequencies.
     
  15. Cereal Killer

    Cereal Killer fourhundredandthirtytwo

    From the previous TQB thread:

     
  16. FireMoon

    FireMoon pfm Member

    Awaiting to hear back from them after emailing them about what I require.
     
  17. Cereal Killer

    Cereal Killer fourhundredandthirtytwo

    Cool!! maybe quicker to call Mark though! :)
     
  18. FireMoon

    FireMoon pfm Member

    Couldn't find a contact number for him. PM me if you have one please?
     
  19. Cereal Killer

    Cereal Killer fourhundredandthirtytwo

  20. FireMoon

    FireMoon pfm Member

    Ahh right got it... cheers
     

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